I am a young 29 year old university graduate from India. After I
finished University I got a good job in my country.
I worked for a few years then my parents friends/relatives who live
in Canada told my parents
that I should come to Canada. They kept pushing the issue with my
parents, saying that Canada is the best and
eventually lured me into going.
I came to Canada in 2003 and quickly found out that my degree was
useless. The universities I contacted said that I
would basically have to repeat my degree in Canada and I would get
no credit for my existing one.
As you can expect I was very disappointed and frustrated, but these
people who painted this rosy picture of Canada
told me to 'keep trying'.
In the meantime my funds were quickly running out so I got a job in
a local factory. NEVER in my life had I experienced so much racism,
than
what I faced in this factory. See I was placed with a group of about
ten white people and everyday they bullied me.
Finally they went to the head manager and demanded that I be fired.
I had done nothing wrong. He, of course, gave me some rubbish
that the factory production is low and that they don't need me.
On the last day of the job, the entire eight hour shift the group made
racial and ethnic slurs and remarks toward me. I broke down into
tears and left at the end
in the lowest moral I have ever been. I never thought Canada was
like this.
Finally after this experience (and many more) I left in 2005 and
came back home. We don't speak to those asshole relatives of ours
who lured me to go to Canada.
I observed their life in Canada, and they themselves are working
crappy jobs and living pay check to pay check.
Word of advice to people out there: please for your own sake, for
your family sake, do not make mistakes that I have. Canada has
nothing to offer immigrants, except lies, bankruptcy and racism.
Thank you to the makers of such a website. I wish I had known about
it four or five years ago.
Gorpreet Gill
gorgill78 @ yahoo.ca
March 16, 2008
Dear Not Canada
I commend you for standing up against the misleading immigration to
Canada misperception. My wife and I (South African) emigrated to
Canada 5 years ago after having numerous tragedies in our family as
a result of the rampant crime sponsored by the ANC government of
South Africa. Let me NOT get into the crime situation in South
Africa and rather concentrate on what your web site is about.
We looked at various countries, United Kingdom, Australia and Canada
.... Canada above all seemed to boast the best of what we were
looking for. Being pet owners our pets were coming with us and this
may sound silly but Canada’s non-quarantine approach to us bringing
our pets with was “one” of the deciding factors. We made application
in late 1998 and went through the many rigorous procedures, medical
tests and scores of documentation and paperwork. After 4 years and
many thousands of Rands to process our application we were notified
late in December 2000 that we had been accepted and had 3 months to
emigrate.
Being business and home owners that was just not possible so we made
application for extension to give us time to sell our businesses.
That was 2001 and that year is such a blur it’s just not funny.
Eventually we had our businesses sold, home sold, possessions sold /
packed in containers and were ready to come to Canada. Then
September 11 happened and our Visa’s were delayed for almost 5
months and eventually in March 2002 we left for Canada. Very sad day
considering all the traumas our families had been through.
We arrived in Vancouver, Canada emotionally distraught but POSITIVE
about our future in Canada. We were not willing to let anything get
us down. We left South Africa with money which at that time equated
back to only about $75,000-00 CAD. For us it seemed like a lot of
money to get us settled and establish ourselves but we were very
foolish thinking that.
First thing we had to do was find a house. We had to get a house
because we had pets only weeks away from arriving. We searched high
and low and eventually found a house in Burnaby With a garden which
cost us $1400 per month. We thought we could manage with that until
we found jobs etc. Our two dogs arrived after we had been in Canada
for about 6 weeks and that all went very smoothly.
Without transport we were of course very stuck, especially looking
for jobs. We went to various car dealers and everyone had a
different story. We eventually went one day to Richmond Auto Mall
and were met with a myriad of car dealers and were talked into a
lease on a Nissan Sentra .... great car but at a hell of a monthly
cost. This was probably one of the worst mistakes we ever made. We
should of bought a cheap run down car and tried to get by.
We had to get the house because no flats or apartments would allows
us to have pets and shortly after coming to Canada we discovered
just how UNFRIENDLY Canada is towards pets and for that matter pet
owners. We are animal lovers and have taken our two loyal dogs
everywhere with us and they (or we) would not have it otherwise.
It’s responsible looking after pets and all too easy to drop them at
an animal shelter and hope someone else will take them. We are just
not those kind of people. But that’s not the point.
Within weeks after arriving, after having rubbed the stars out of
our eyes, we realised this was IT and we had to survive here. Not
knowing a single person, having no family in Canada etc we knew we
had NO support network like we had back in South Africa. Still we
were gung-ho and the world (or Canada for that matter) was our
oyster. We both started sending out Resume’s and seeing job
agencies. This became so tiresome and lead to many fights between us
due to the pressure of having to find a job.
After numerous Resume’s were sent out my wife eventually got a bite
at Superpages as a sales clerk. At that point I had already sent out
100 or more Resume’s with not one reply so we had no choice other
than for my wife to go to the interview at Superpages. The job was
low paying and actually quite demeaning given our standard of
running our own businesses and the kind of income we were used to.
But we had no choice at that point and my wife went to work for
Superpages. Her salary was just over $1000 a month ... $1200 if I am
correct and there were commissions to be earned but only if you were
a very crude salesmen. My wife and I are actually too honest and
ethical so the monthly salary never got beyond $1500 per month. That
was barely our rent covered.
I continued sending out Resume’s for about 6 months and did not have
one interview. I am extremely good at what I do but Canada simply
was not interested. Given the effects on 9/11 it is not surprising
for most countries to not recognise anyone other than their own.
Eventually with our $75000 running out I had no choice but to start
my own business. Being a business owner since my early twenties I
was not afraid whatsoever so I went ahead. Wanting to be legitimate
I did all the enquiries with Burnaby and then started finding out I
have to have a business license and I have to register for GST, PST
and Lord knows what else. Anyways I had no choice, our money was
reducing fast and I went ahead and did all the registrations (more
unforeseen costs). Being a South African businessman I was used to
the South African way of business “Start the business and thats it”
I was not expecting all the additional costs, rules and legislation
before I even started purchasing equipment. But that’s what come of
a first world country, so advanced that everything is actually
backwards.
Anyhow I went ahead and started my web hosting company which is what
I was doing in South Africa prior to leaving. Advertising was
expensive and with my wife being at Superpages I was talked into
advertising with Superpages ... another BIG mistake. The only client
lead I ever had from Superpages was the most difficult, irritating,
paranoid client I have ever met in my life and certainly not worth
the few thousand Dollars they were asking me for.
Regardless I got the business off the ground (barely) and started
making a few extra hundred dollars per month but still not nearly
enough to survive. Money was still running out.
Food in Canada is also rather expensive and our monthly rent of
$1400 had at least another $1200 added to it just for food. Not to
mention phone bills, hydro bills and bills, bills bills. Before we
had batted an eyelid in Canada we were in for almost $3500 - $4000
per month. Between us we were earning just over $2500. This was only
after 9 months. My wife eventually quit her job with Superpages and
decided to join me and get more clients on board which she did but
we were still slipping down and down every month.
I suffered greatly from depression due to the trauma I had been
through in South Africa, the loss of my brother due to violent
crime, the shooting of my father, my mothers’ hijacking and then of
course the added strain of emigrating to Canada. The huge reduction
in Sunlight hit me bad as being South African I am used to sunlight
365 days a year and that really got me down. Before long I was
seeing psychologists in Canada and was on anti-depressants and not
feeling very good. In fact when I look back at photos of myself in
Canada and I look like death slightly warmed up.
After 16 months in Canada we left and came back to South Africa.
Prior to leaving we were close to the point of going broke or being
stuck in Canada and not being able to return home to South Africa.
We managed to get a friend in Canada to take over the day to day
runnings of the company and we came back home.
We returned back in South Africa with R35,000-00 and managed to buy
a car and that was it ..... we were broke but we had a car. Family
of ours down on the Garden Route of South Africa offered us a place
to stay to get away from the hustle and bustle of Johannesburg and
we took up their offer. We were both emotionally distraught after
doing a full emigration twice in 16 months. But we were back home
and back to familiar surroundings. My wife is very enterprising and
within 6 months of being back had bought her first piece of land
which she sold 4 months later for almost a 200% profit. That was our
saving grace. I was emotionally a dump and pretty useless for about
a year after returning from Canada so our life was in her hands and
thank the Lord she took control. Within a year after returning we
had our own house again and had jobs. We were actually recovering.
Now almost 4 years after returning we have accumulated assets to
well over R3,000,000-00 (3 million Rand). This is something we would
never have achieved in Canada ... EVER !!!!
While we both miss a LOT about Canada we do not miss the struggling.
We also know after making some very good Canadian friends that the
month to month struggle is not something that is exclusive to
immigrants. Of the born and bred Vancouverites we met (and are still
very good friends with) we know not one that does not struggle to
make ends meet every month. So we know it was not just our alien
faces in Canada that was the problem.
It seems the Canadian government as with any government around the
world has made it increasingly difficult for anyone, even their own
people, to survive and live a good and prosperous life. The
government has conjured so many taxes for just about everything that
life has become very difficult to enjoy, least of all live. This is
a very sad state of affairs.
Our partner in Canada who still runs our business spends 90% of his
time running the company for an income that is barely enough for one
person, least of all a family of 4. Yet he has continued unabated
mostly due to lack of choice and that it primarily what the Canadian
government seems to hand out day after day ... A LACK OF CHOICE. Fit
in, grin and bear it or just DIE !!!! A very poor and very
undemocratic system if you ask me.
But .... it’s not my country and I cannot judge. South Africa is
also full of problems even more so since the Canadian government has
been talking to South African government over the years and
introducing a multitude of Canadian style policies in South Africa.
It’s like .... I left Canada but the nonsense followed me home.
I do miss Canada the country, the people, but CERTAINLY NOT the
government. I always get a small tear in my eye when I think of
Canada but I know we both would of ended up in dead end jobs living
from month to month barely able to get by. Unfortunately this is the
state of affairs for 90% of the populations in most countries today.
It’s beyond being simply a government issue and is more of a world
government issue, opress the people, give them no choice and they
will just comply. Sounds like a chapter out of Animal Farm.
I don’t particularly like the South Africa government much either,
perhaps I am just too much of a free thinker to buy into government
lies and corruption.
Miss you Canada, but glad I managed to get back home without getting
stuck there !!!!!
Yours Sincerely
Mitchell Krog
South Africa
mitchell @ allover.ca
March 16, 2008
Toronto divided by income and ethnicity
http://www.cbc.ca/video/popup.html?http://www.cbc.ca/mrl3/8752/news/features/cheung-divided-080306.wmv
I think it is a wonderful site. It lets people know what canada can
give them. My husband wanted us to immigrate in Canada. But somehow,
I was never interested. I kept giving him excuses. On day we had an
argument and we decided that we will apply for immigration but
before that we will visit Canada and see the country first.
Believe me or not Canada was the worst experience of my life . They
may advertise themselves as one of the most developed countries in
the world but they do not have good medical services, have high
insurance rates, education is so expensive and absolutely no jobs.
The tax system is beyond understanding. One can never calculate the
final price one has to pay when he will reach the counter of the
shop. And the worst thing, people around you are so depressed. You
can just feel the depression in the air.
My husband disliked Canada more than I do and I am happy we never
applied for immigration.
Ranjana Ahuja
ahranju2k @ rediffmail.com
March 06, 2008
Hi,
Had to say some stuff. Some I have said before (but have to
reiterate) and some is new.
1] The stupid canuck might think that educated immigrants will stick
for manual labor jobs forever. They really believe that a first
world lifestyle is possible only in western counties. The problem is
that new opportunities in the birth countries of immigrants are
increasing at a pace never seen before and will be a much bigger
impact on this belief in as little as 5 years.
If canucks raise taxes too much or this system collapses, they will
be the first to leave. The end result would be a loss of even more
revenue and productivity.
2] If people think that poorly payed mexicans in the US are going to
keep playing nicely with the system, they are going to have quite a
surprise (if you did not already have one). Mexicans believe that
S.W of the US belongs to them. There is a reason they are not
interested in integrating - they may be poor and educated, but they
do see themselves as equals. Treating people poorly does have its
delayed consequences, especially if their numbers are the growing
faster than your group.
The whole situation with black slaves in the US was a special case
because it occurred at a particular time and situation in history.
It is unlikely to be repeated and attempts to do that to other
groups will not work (as middle class white people in the US are
finding out with mexicans).
3] Having said that, professional immigrants in the US are treated
quite well regardless of their skin color. While you will encounter
bitter laid off whites (middle or lower class), the reality is that
even they accept that it beyond their control. At the end of the
day, they would rather have a well payed educated immigrant
(non-white) who pays taxes in their system and is at home, than
loose that job to outsourcing. One brings and keeps money into the
system, the other takes money out of the system.
There is a reason that educated indians and chinese have such a high
median income in the US. There is reason they are well represented
in high paying jobs and are successful at business. It is called
meritocracy - but don't look for it in a canuck dictionary.
4] The stupid canuck has no concept of demography, benefit payment,
tax collection issues etc. Canucks have no choice but to accept the
concept of well payed immigrants, unless they want to live in the
near future in poorly heated houses on dog food, with poor to
non-existent medical care. If well paying jobs are not created in
canada, the whole economic system here will fall down on itself.
There is no other solution to the demographic/ entitlement fiasco.
Doing anything less or delaying will only make the final outcome
even worser.
5] One of the problems with invoking capitalism and the unfairness
of life being normal is that it can be used against you. Canucks
might not understand or accept this concept.
The reality is that no professional immigrant believes that they
have any duty to keep canucks fed, serviced and alive, if that
arrangement does not benefit them more than it hurts them. If they
find a better opportunity they will leave, or they will screw you
over when things are not working well for you.
Canucks remind me of cocaine addicts who feel they are smart and
invincible when they are on it. The problem is your stash is running
out because of demography and the spread of education/ technology
across the world. Are you going to like the feeling when you come of
it? Till then enjoy your rapidly diminishing stash of feel good
delusions.
who cares anyway
anyway.doyoucare @ gmail.com
March 05, 2008
Hi there,
Just wanted to let you know we posted a link to your site. We
started
a exposé community site for New Zealand last November, and heard
about you from one of our members. We are also a not-for-profit
activist site, and have come under significant fire from Kiwis (they
take criticism very, very badly) after attracting media attention.
We really want to get the word out about NZ's big, fat downsides to
all the potential migrants, so I hope you'll consider helping us out
with a link as well.
I know I have been posting a lot lately but there is another point I
have thought about that may make sense to you when you cannot find a
decent job.
The problem with Canada is that it has no Mexicans to speak of. Too
cold for them.
In the USA, illegal Mexicans hold the worst jobs and the legal ones
the next worst jobs. And people know a Mexican will work very hard.
Harder than a black person in many cases, so much so that Mexicans
are causing massive unemployment of black people here. To the point
that that the blacks and Mexicans in some areas, like south central
Los Angeles have started to shoot at each other.
Now, in Canada, remember that every Canadian child, by the time they
finish high school represents a public investment of over $100,000.
Double that if they went to college.Over $500,000 if they went to
medical school. Now you expect them to waste that investment to hire
you, a new immigrant in place of one of them considering that Canada
does not generate enough top level jobs for everyone.
Also remember that Canada, like most capitalist countries is really
controlled by those people that control the money. They are the ones
that really tell the government what to do. The elections only
determine which bodies are in Parliament. The wealthy, as in all
capitalist countries really call the shots. What they want, is a low
cost docile work force to do the crummy jobs that no Canadian with
an education would want. No one in Canada raises a child to wash
dishes or work in a slaughterhouse.
They need cheap labor but the powers that be in Canada also want to
avoid the problems they have in the USA where there are so many ill
educated Mexicans. The ill educated commit more crime and they have
more children, placing a far greater burden on society to educate
them.
But the powers that be have identified foreigners they can got to do
the crummy jobs, who are far less likely to be a criminal and who
tend to have fewer children. That is, people with a free education.
Remember that a Canadian kid represents a big investment. You as the
immigrant have cost Canada nothing. And you education was free. And
remember in the capitalist world one important fact to remember is
that something that can be obtained for free has no value to the
recipient.
Thus, by allowing in highly educated people they get workers more
likely to be docile and who will tend to have fewer children. That
your education goes to waste means nothing because the Canadian
taxpayers did not pay for it.
Just like the times you spend waiting in a doctor's office. The
cheapest thing they have is your time. Same on immigrating to
Canada. The cheapest thing they have is the time that was used with
you getting your education. But that education tells the government
that you are more likely to be a good person that some person with
no education.
Thus, please do not be surprised if the system is set up that your
education goes to waste. They only reason Americans may be more
willing to look at it is because they already have plenty of
Mexicans for the crummy jobs. But the USA will not admit you either
until you get a job offer there. Canada lets you in without a job so
you will end up doing a crummy job no person born in Canada will do.
Is this fair. No. But in capitalist countries we have several
sayings:
"Life is not fair"
"Never give a sucker an even break"
"Anything given for free has no value"
"Money talks"
One of the biggest lies in a capitalist country is:
"I'm from the government and I am here to help you"
So what I am saying the real system is one where your education
tells the government you are likely to be a good person who won't
have 12 kids. After that, they just want bodies for menial jobs that
Canadians won't do.
As for the skills shortage, it is largely made up to keep the people
born in Canada from asking for too much money either.
Chuckles The Clown
chuckles951 @ yahoo.com
March 04, 2008
Hi.
Below's the link to a Desi Life article I wrote, which may interst
you. It's on pp 18-19. Turn the pages by clicking on the top right
corners.
I will tell you exactly why your credentials are not accepted by
Canadian employers.
You have a degree from a fine foreign school yet cannot get a job
with it in Canada. You got into the country with it OK but why do
employers look at it like it was a dirty dish cloth?
The government accepted it because all they know is paper. But the
government worker is only expected to look at paper but they are
putting NO money it backing up their decision.
However, employers are betting real money that your diploma is real
and you can really do what it says.
You worked for years for it, so why don't they accept it?
Thank your own country's people for that. So many of them have used
flaso diplomas in the past that Canadian employers are wary of them.
Essentially every one of them, including companies owned by
immigrants have been stung by hiring someone who did not really know
what they claimed, where the diploma was fake. However, by then they
have spent thousands of dollars in wages on you, money they cannot
get back if they fire you. The police won't help them as this is
considered a civil matter and it is too costly to get a lawyer to
sue you.
Besides it would look really bad for a Canadian employer to be suing
a new Canadian over a false diploma.
The problem is that anyone with a computer and even a shareware
graphics program can make a fake diploma, at least a realistic
photocopy of one. And here in Los Angeles, I can get what looks like
the real thing, for any school I like, say Harvard, for about
$35.00, printed on parchment with realistic seals.
Or for $400, I can buy a degree from a diploma mill where they
"evaluate my life experience". $100 more for a masters and another
$100 for a doctorate.
I am sorry for the writer from Nigeria. Nigeria is considered by
people in North America as one of the worst places in the entire
world for corruption and scams. Nigeria is famous for junk emails
claiming to share the loot with you if you help them transfer some
money. No one here will ever believe any piece of paper coming from
Nigeria.
As for other countries, because the Canadian employer can only
easily check a Canadian diploma, and with a little difficulty, a US
one, they tend to not consider ones that come from any other places.
This makes things really tough for you, the honest person who really
knows how to do this stuff, but when you have trouble being taken
seriously by a Canadian employer, place the blame on the small
minority that came before you who were dishonest. I strongly
recommend doing what I did before moving to the USA, lining up a job
before you go. I know this can be very hard from many other
countries, but it is about the only way your credentials will be
honored.
I was lucky and got an offer on my first trip, but I have the extra
valuable skill that not only can I design high technology
electronics, I can build the actual prototypes and get them running.
When I interviewed, I showed them CAD generated schematics and PCB
layouts for a product I got a patent for eventually and showed them
an assembled printed circuit board I did for the job.
Even for my first job out of school in Avionics, because I already
did my own car repairs and built stereo equipment, I was able, on
the first day, climb into a Cessna 150 and pull out the Nav-Com set
and find an intermittent antenna plug. And fix it. While I took
twice as long as it took me after I got more experience, the
employer was able to bill a customer for work I did on my first day.
And that leads me to the next point. Schools outside of Canada and
the USA have a reputation for teaching my memorization and just
theory. Students from schools elsewhere do not seem to teach
anything practical.
For example, working for me I have an Indian electronics engineer.
We use her to program firmware in micro controllers. But when she
needed to actually connect a piece of equipment and did not have the
correct cable, she was helpless when I showed her the bin with the
connectors and handed her some cable. It turns out she had never
soldered a thing in her life. She said that was technician work.
I had to explain that we had one technician and he was busy for
the next long time. If she wanted a cable she had to make it. So I
had to teach her how to solder. It seems in India there are about 5
technicians for every engineer. That engineers do no hands on work.
I wish I could find that many technicians. Here, we expect engineers
to build stuff.
For example, the engineers at Stanford, Carnegie Mellon and a bunch
of other schools last year built robot cars (full size ones) that
competed to drive through a city the best for a $2,000,000 prize. We
expect our students to do stuff like that before they graduate. At
the University of Alberta in he 1970s we expected students to at
least be able to build a working electronic device of some kind to
graduate. And to work in the summers in industrial jobs. One summer
I ran a machine in a paper mill that produced a 10 meter wide piece
of news print at 100km/hour.
My daughter, right now in college, doing a thesis on the provision
of emergency medical services on remote locations, in order to get
first hand knowledge is also training as an emergency medical
technician and working a 24 shift on weekends on an ambulance crew.
And next week is interviewing the air ambulance operator for the
freeways through the California desert.
That is the kind of thing employers here expect. The diploma is only
a small part of it. It is also, what can you do. For real.
So this is my point. Your papers are essentially worthless to am
employer. What they want to know is "what do you know how to do that
adds value to the company from your first day". And you have to be
able to demonstrate it. If your knowledge is all theoretical, you
have little hope of a Canadian employer hiring you for your skills.
The saying in Canada, and the USA, is that papers are fine but it is
where the rubber meets the road is what matters.
How do you tell what the company needs? Research. You must research
an employer before you interview with them. Even with a resume, for
every one you send, your cover letter, which must be written special
for every one you send. And you have to specifically detail what you
can do that can help the company make money.
This is how I got plenty of jobs when I lived in Canada.
Just remember that it is not that Canadians don't like you. It is
just that they are indifferent. They feel for you that you have a
hard time getting a job but they also have their own needs to take
care of. It takes so much effort to do well in a high cost country
like Canada, they are just to busy to pay you much concern. Remember
that just because they are a different ethnic group than you, they
are still people.
And remember that if a hiring manager takes a chance on you and it
does not work out, they can get into trouble. More so than one in
the USA. So they are not as willing to take a chance on the unknown.
And specially on diplomas and certificates of unknown quality. Mind
you the American employer is also faster to fire people if you do
not perform well from day one. I have seen people fired at my
employer that would have been kept on in Canada. Including one
person that I hired.
Daniel Fraser
dmfraser @ sbcglobal.net
March 03, 2008
I just want to echo what many on this site have already said. I've
lived
in for 7 years now and I've never seen so many lies and hypocrites
in my
entire life. I was educated (BSc and MBA) in the US and just like
many
immigrants, I had no opportunity whatsoever to continue my career.
Soon after my arrival, I figured out Canadian immigration program is
nothing but a scam to rob immigrants of their life savings and use
the
money to create some bullshit government jobs so Canadians
(especially
in Atlantic Canada) have jobs, to support education system so
Canadians
parents don't have to pay much for their kids education, and to pay
Old
Age Security so Canadian retirees can maintain their lavish
retirement
in Palm Spring, Arizona, and Florida. All these are accomplished on
the
back of arriving immigrants.
But I stayed on because I know how to beat the system. Like the
saying,
"when you're smart, you're smart." Canada might think that
immigrants
are to be taken advantage of. Not this immigrant. Though I never had
a
job here, I didn't let those rejections stop me from doing what this
immigrant's supposed to do. That is to suck the lifeblood of this
country. I've been day trading stocks ever since I got here and I've
made a shit load amount of money. I feel even better knowing that
I've
made those money on the back of Canadians who entrust their
hard-earned
money to some dip shit mutual fund managers. When those managers put
in
their trade, I'll be there to profit from them. In my first year, I
saved $80,000 after taxes and living expenses and that number has
grown
dramatically since then. Yes folks, it's that easy to profit from
Canadians because they're so goddamn stupid you won't believe it.
Also,
I never shop in Canada. I always buy big ticket items from the US
where
it's always cheaper.
In a couple of years, I'm going to be a millionaire. Not bad for
someone
who works 3 hours a day. But I'm going to continue sucking the
lifeblood
of this country. Every year I move my money out of Canada to
minimize my
tax. When I'm finally qualified for Old Age, I will move out of
Canada
so I don't have to pay taxes at all to Canada and yet still get the
money from it.
So thanks Canada and all you hypocritical canucks out there. Don't
forget that your job is to make me rich and not the other way
around.
Name: H
Email: fuckcanada @ gmail.com
City: Vancouver
State/Province: BC
Country: Hell aka Canada
March 02, 2008
Hello,
I'm wondering aren't you afraid that the Canadian Goverment will try
to
take down your website? Did you ever have such situation? I'm asking
because recently visa passes for Poles have been removed and I did
some
research onto how ppl live in Canada and I came across Your very
sincere
site. I must admit there are a lot of useful information and I
probably
will pass Your web adress to other ppl willing going to Canada.
Nice job on creating a website with such a topic. Keep it up!
Marcin Nowak
dzolero @ plusnet.pl
February 27, 2008
Hi:
How many of you paid money to an immigration consultant? They make
their money by helping you immigrate to a different country. Are you
surprised that the real conditions are not as good as they said? If
they did not get you to immigrate to Canada, they would not make
money.
As for the government, if there were not as immigrants the people in
the Canadian Immigration Department would lose their jobs. And in
what country on this planet do government workers not put their
needs ahead of those of other people, especially people who are not
local citizens? Then they tell the same stories to the people above
them, that there is so much demand, that the laws are amended to
what amounts to a way to keep these workers employed.
I’m sorry but just because Canada is still mostly a “white” country,
does not mean that the government workers do not put their needs
first. Sure, they get paid enough to make bribes unattractive but
they are still human beings. Not really any different from the
government people in any other country. In Canada the main rule is
“Look out for number 1!”
So no, if you expect Canada to be the paradise an immigration
consultant says or that a government worker says, then you are in
for a big disappointment.
And you act surprised that you experience discrimination. I find
that every racial group practices it. Just because the Canadian
government says there is no discrimination has no bearing whether it
is in the hearts of the people. Is this any different than your old
country? You expected maybe that Canadians were some special breed
of humans that are better than the people where you came from. Think
again.
If you come to Canada it cannot be for your benefit. Even your
children will not do as well. It is not until the third generation
that immigrants get embraced as full members of a society. That is
the way it has been historically and this has not changed. If you
cannot handle this, please don’t come to Canada. If you are there
already, either learn to cope with it or look to go somewhere else,
maybe back to where you came from originally. I have found that
people who go back after a few years abroad are actually taken very
seriously and have little trouble becoming fairly big back home.
And yes, I am a native born Canadian of north European ancestry but
I live in the Los Angeles area. After 49 years, the Canadian weather
finally got to me.
Dan Fraser
dmf @ renkus-heinz.com
February 27, 2008
I wish I had seen this site before I went to Canada. Although I knew
something was not quite right with Canada I went anyway. There is
nothing on this site that is not true.
Luckily I was able to get out but it has set me back something
serious. I can give you a run down of my take on the whole situation
and why I had left within six months if you like but it will just be
echoes of the 'big eight'.
I hope your site reaches far and wide and hits home to those who
want to go there. I still hear all the time how people want to go to
Canada and are amazed I left. When you try and tell them why, you
can see in thier eyes they have just 'shut down'. The Canadian
propaganda machine is a marvel to behold!! I still snowboard there
but at the end of the two weeks I am always glad I get to leave, as
is my Canadian wife!
Anyway, all the best
Ian Flower (UK)
mtb4ever @ hotmail.com
February 23, 2008
Hi everyone!
I never visit Canada before and I had no idea about what is go on
there. Also I never plan to go there. I am from Moscow Russia but I
do live in Sardinia Italy.
I have business across Europe and no reason to work any more. I do
come to Russia time to time and I can hear the add on the radio say
that Come to Canada!
I guess many Russians do come there without understanding about this
place. I think they must learn more and be wear about life and jobs
and etc there.
I think that you people that run this page do very good think by
tell people full story.
I will be happy to talk with people that live there in Canada or
move out so I can learn more about it.
So I can tell people in Russia.
Please do contact me and lets have chat!
Artiomino Antonov
artyom10 @ hotmail.com
February 22, 2008
Hi,
I just read a article and found this will be useful to those of the
opinion that the kids born to immigrants have great future or doing
well. This article sheds light on the maligns affecting canadian
born visible minorities ( immigrants esp. asian ).
Times of India article dated Feb 15, 2007 Volume: 6; Issue:07.
www.weeklytimesofindia.com
The essence of the article is:
The rate at which visible minorities born in canada wee the victims
of violent crime in 2004 was three times higher than that of visible
minorities born abroad ( 211 incidents for every 1000 people vs 69
per 1,000 people )
The factors: canadian born visible minorities are younger, more
likely to be single and more likely to be low-income earners that
their foreign-born counterparts. Canadian born visible minorities
participate in a higher number of evening activities relate to
greater victimization by violence.
This probably sheds light one of the aspects of born canadians
dilemma. I personally don't feel that born canadians have a great
life compared to the types of jobs they do like bank tellers,
managers, customer service jobs etc. Many hate to do that type of
time sensitive jobs though they have better communication being born
here.
Suresh
sures_venkat @ yahoo.com
February 21, 2008
You folks seem surprised that what the government tells you is
different than the reality? Have you ever known a government to know
what is really going on? The people working in government seldom
have any experience in the “real” world. They’re not evil or even
stupid. Just inexperienced in how things really work.
It is obvious that those of you with university degrees have not
figured out the system.
Here it is:
Immigrate to Canada as it is easier than the USA.
Work whatever crap job you can find until you can get Canadian
citizenship. Drive a taxi or whatever. Just survive.
Find a job in the USA, preferably in the sun belt, and move there
using a TN visa, which is very easy to get but only available once
you have Canadian citizenship. Do note that this is for temporary
jobs only. Use boards like monster.com. I came down here for a week
in early January 2001, had three interviews lined up, was offered a
job by January 10th and started on February 2nd, 2001. You have to
be prepared to come here for interviews at your own expense, maybe
2-3 times and pay your own moving expenses.
Since a TN is only good for one year, though you can get as many new
ones you want, once you have a US job using the TN, apply for an
H-1B visa. If you don’t get it first try, get another TN visa for
another one year temporary job and try again the next year.
Then you have six years to prove yourself valuable enough to have an
employer sponsor you for immigration. And if you cannot impress
anyone enough in that time, then tough. If you have a certification
pending they will allow you to extend the H-1B past six years.
This process is 100% legal under existing USA law.
In the mean time, stop moaning about the bad weather. What did you
expect moving to a place that far north? I was born in Canada and I
got sick enough of it I now live in Orange County, California using
the TN visa, then an H-1B and now my employer has applied for a
green card for me.
And yes, jobs are tough to find in Canada. I never lacked for work
but I have two skills that in short supply. I can fix anything and I
know how to sell.
If you don’t have at least a bachelor’s degree then you’re out of
luck.
Do a search for TN visa. Also look at www.goodbyecanada.com
Dan Fraser
dmf @ renkus-heinz.com
February 15, 2008
Hi
Did you know that in Canada anyone can be disabled without
disability income. And I'm talking about person with medical
condition even the doctors can't deny it and who has certificate
from Revenue Canada for the purpose of tax deductible. So, how can
you deduct anything from nothing?
When someone is not eligible for CPP because didn't work enough
years in Canada (unfortunately International Social agreement won't
help you out)
in theory he (she) could apply for the so called Provincial
Disability Benefit.
This one if you check out closely is nothing but Welfare in a
different name.
When the disabled is married, his or her eligibility for income
support is based on "family income" when he or she is married.
If it is calculated that way, how come it is not based on an average
Canadian family income. Besides isn't he or she an individual with
rights?
Instead of that, if a makes more than $1200 a month (how far is that
from an average income in BC clamed to be about $ 60,000 a year per
family)
when someone is not receiving Disability benefit, locked out of
everything as well.
In conclusion, without getting Disability benefit it is impossible
to get any other benefit as well, because the first question is
asked from even from the OC
Transport is about a yearly discounted Busspass. Are you getting
dissability benefit? O, you don't, so sorry we can't help you then.
Interestingly enough, while a single person is exempt from
healthcare payment if making less then $20,000 annually, a family's
limit is $28,000 or less
(I can deduct $ 3000 disability allowance a year from my always
seasonal income. What a joke).
We as a single income family, never get more Unemployment either,
because there is no law to consider to support a disabled family
member who is let down by this “No. 1 system" in every way. If we
(I) had more than the above mentioned $28,000 annually a year or
these days they can go back 2 years,
I'm simply asked to pay the full amount of monthly basic coverage
cost while I'm getting unemployment benefit.
Working (healthy) couples don't have such limitations. One can make
money, while the other is on Unemployment.
What kind of discriminating system is that?
I hope all this information helps others to understand how this
system keep us out of rich from services available only to whom they
may want only.
sincerely,
George
csucsu @ europe.com
February 15, 2008
Canada is one of G7 nations, the richest countries on planet Earth.
Peaceful, less corrupted government, and well-established social
welfare system and public health care. I have to say that few
countries provide better living to their citizens than Canada does
for
Canadians and newcomers. Most Canadians should be proud of these.
But,
does Canada match up the images it represents international world in
reality? I disagree with it. Canada runs down the hill. I feel
sorry.
I moved to Canada in 2001 as an landed immigrant.
The first place was Toronto, Ontario.
After spending 7 years in this country, I decided to leave soon
either
back home or a warm country. I miss the sunny days so much.
Canada is wonderful place for the refugees who come from third world
countries. Most immigrants who has professional career with strong
education background, Canada is worst nightmare especially
non-English
people.
The weather is miserable. Winter is average six months most of area.
The cold is lethal. When it's cold day, here in Edmonton the
temperature drops thirty below zero Celsius. You figure how cold it
is. It's colder than most industrial deep freezer. During the winter
many businesses are slow down, massive laid off. People live under
welfare.
Inefficiency!! It takes two years to have a driver license. 10 hours
of behind wheel training make one drive a car safely.
All the streets of big cities are covered with warning prohibit
signs.
There are tons of laws and by-laws.
Safe place to raise children? It has been reported average 60,000
missing children every year. Check the statistics of Canada. It's
fact
yet the federal government has kept it quiet. U.S is 10 times of
Canada.
The only driving force of Canada's economy is Alberta at the moment.
The dirty oil industry. The house price has went up over five times
before the Oil boom started. A fifty year old house - $40,000 worth
at
most - is sold around $200K. In Alberta, most working classes living
get worse. 40 or 50 years house mortgage comes out in the market.
People buy houses with those mortgage. I hope their brain is okay.
The
realistic minimum wage in Alberta is $10/hr. Ontario has been the
major province for decades having over half of the national
population. Millions of people live under poverty mostly young
Canadians and immigrants. I had been that situation for 3 years.
Living under poverty destroys many individuals. Other provinces? You
figure.
I can't say much about the First Nations - Native Americans. Those
people's situation is out of imagination by a normal person. It's
tragic and the Canadian government let it happens everyday.
Most Canadians are nice, humble. I have met few friends. Coworkers
are
friendly in general. When it comes to business, most of them turned
out to be liars from private business to federal government. There
are
full of lies everywhere. Many liars and criminals who are breaking
the
labour law are huge role of the whole economy. It's the exact clone
of
my home country, which made me choose Canada for better living.
Money
talks first in the world!! A hard-work person could be successful? I
doubt. They dislike smart immigrants neither give them a second
chance.
Health care system? The proper word is "sick care system." You
become
so sick that prevents you can not continue work then, the system
take
care of you. Because you are registered a rat in the medical
laboratory. The SARS panic. I was living in Toronto. My home country
right beside China did have nation-wide SARS panic. It's pathetic
and
it really shows the level of health care system of Canada.
Is it free? I pay average $1,000 per year for basic coverage through
employer (50/50). An employer provides medical benefit is considered
good one. Why is that? The nation has public health care system.
Canada has only good place for trade workers IMHO. A Canada-born
high
school graduate can have decent living if he/she meets a fair
employer
luckily. The more a person gets educated, it becomes harder to find
a
decent job. The labour law even allows employer use free labours:
co-op. Any business firms can use a university graduate without
paying
a penny for months. You want to be a school teacher? It has the
worst
internship environment. U.S always absorbs bright young Canadians
and
qualified professionals including immigrants. Canada is an
independent
nation. But, economic-wise, it's 51st state of U.S. Period. Canada
exports 80% of goods to U.S mostly natural resources, oil became a
new
item.
I've had 17 jobs. The most memorable job was a tree planting. "What
a
creative slavery system it is!!" The poor young Canadians. I'm a
successful immigrant based on the job I have at the moment. I'll
make
$35/hr within two years if I enjoy working like a dog with the crazy
tax. I'm at the income bracket, which is the full amount of 5 days
work goes to income tax a month. But, what for? I can not collect
unemployment when I loose job either quit or wrongful dismiss. When
I
get sick, I hardly get prompt treatment.
Thanks to Canada and people, I became a better person: learned
English
- I do have accent but I use fluently, got to discover true me, have
a dream which had been so obscure.
If your country doesn't provide the basic human rights, no way to
fulfill your dream, Canada might be a choice. U.S, Australia are
better climate. At least you have chance to work eight to nine
months
as full-time. Take a good look at yourself. If you have nothing to
loose, then give a shot. It would be one hell of riding. Wherever
you
go, believe in yourself. It makes life much easier. Since I learned
how to trust myself, living aspect has changed 180 degrees.
Before closing this letter, I gotta tell this.
We live in fucked-up world nowadays. Isn't it? Any modern nations'
law killing is a serious crime. Countries have execution for it. By
the way, we elect leaders and give the mighty power to engage war
against other nations. Mass killing is Okay in government level?
Police man can kill suspect or criminal on duty to protect public or
own safety, and walk away from the violation of basic human rights.
Why is that? It's impossible a citizen have a decent job or living
with criminal back ground.
The children of innocence born and raised become soldiers. They go
to
wars to win by means of violence. They become trained killing
machine
with soul inside. I used to be in Korean army. Many youngsters love
to
be a professional soldier. Do they fight for their people or being
brainwashed, used by corrupted small group of people?
It has been in this way for thousands years. If we justify killing
of
human being, every irrational, immoral behaviors of powerful
individuals are taken granted. The society becomes a big mess.
Brainwashed general public, suppression, we drain all our energy and
time to compete each other without knowing the truth - corrupted
power. The nation engages another war again distracting, injecting
mass fear into citizens, make them powerless.
Immigrants are special breed. They are different somewhat extreme.
Many of them have lived different nations. They have at least
balanced
thoughts or views around the world. I hope if you live in Canada
until
death, you should do something for make it better place. It's hard
thing to do but I believe in it's worth.
A man's talk touched my heart. "As one human races, we should take
care ourselves. They should be no mass killing. Every individual on
Earth should live with dignity and basic necessities: house, food,
clothes. If we are the noble intelligent species."
Let's hope.
Chung Hun-kyu
Korean, likely Canadian, prefer to be a human
Ninenineone Efx
efx.ninenineone @ gmail.com
February 14, 2008
Hello;
First of all, I just want to say thank you for exposing the
misguided
opinions of my regarding Canada and its "accepting" policies. I
recently went on an extended trip to Canada, and upon finding out I
was from the United States.....I was instantly outcast. I grew up
seeing the enthusiastically friendly relationship between our
president Ronald Reagan and prime minister Mulrooney, and I
automatically assumed that Canadians would be nothing but hospitable
neighbors. I was obviously wrong. In Montreal, I was harassed
because
I did not speak "French" (so much for linguistic acceptance). In
Toronto, people called me a "War Monger", simply because I expressed
my support for my democratically elected president. In Vancouver, my
last stop, I was subject to endless harassment from homosexuals and
Oriental people. Please do not take this as a judgement of your
country as a whole. I'm certain that like the United States, you
have
an arrogant "urban" class, and a much more moral populus in the
middle
of the country. Thank you again for exposing such truths. We must
work
together for change. God bless our friendship!
Thank You;
Jarred Mertaugh
jarred.mertaugh @ gmail.com
February 08, 2008
Hello everybody:
I come from Israel. When I moved to Canada in July 2003 I was 23 years old and knew I needed a degree from Canada even though I do have mine from Israel. Anyway, what i did was I took student loan from Ontario and finished my Bachelor of business administration with a debt of 45 thousand dollars. In August 2007 I graduated from ' Canadian Univerisities' but I could not find a job because of discrimination issue and other stupid reasons employers claim even though my friends from here could find a job easily with lower average.
Now, I realized that education or Canadian experience are not the core problem but rather discrimination and slavery system as you are all aware of.
THE SOLUTION: I am going back to school for my MBA and i will take a student loan again as I donot wanna pay a penny out of my pocket. After I finish I will go back home or to Australia or USA. BUT WAIT, I will go bankrupt before I move out of here and I will cost the governement and this economy tens of thousands of dollars as follows:
1. 75,000$ Student loan
2. 150,000 Master and VisaCards
So I will leave this country with at least 120,000. It is a good capital I think and then I will say to Canada Shaloom.
GO Bankrupt
Shame on you
David Ya'aloon
Gulf Lance
gulf_lance @ hotmail.com
January 17, 2008
I have finally figured out why the Canadian government brings in
over 250,000 of immigrants each year. They don't expect to be able
to keep a large portion of them. The large numbers of immigrants
that are brought in every year are to cater for an anticipated
outflow of immigrants from Canada every year, that the Canadian
government knows will occur.
When I saw the explanation here http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=222593
on Google answers it all suddenly made sense. This immigration
business in Canada is just that, a business. Knowing full well that
many immigrants will leave when confronted with the reality of life
in Canada, the government has built a system which caters for that
eventuality by taking in a larger number of immigrants than needed.
There is an an anticipation of keeping some residual amount, but
this explains why the Governments keeps bringing people in when
there are no jobs for them.
Katherine
kristaal6340 @ yahoo.com
January 16, 2008
As usual some braindead canucks are up to no
good again..
So here it goes
//1) We really dont need you here despite what you think//
Sadly, your government thinks otherwise. If you had any
understanding of math and economics, you would realize why. But then
again your 'canadian' math and economics might be "different".
Honestly, do they teach you anything that can be used in the real
world - you know the one that exists, not the one in your dreams.
//2) We do like white immigrants and dont like you non whites. get
used to it.//
Some bad news for you. Your so called group is irreversibly becoming
older, less fertile, less productive, less innovative. Your numbers
are shrinking- all over the world. It is over.. It is you who has to
accept this reality. Do you understand the concept of reality? Hint-
It is what exists in the real world, not in your 'make believe'
world.
//3) If we are so bad why do you want to come here ? Didnt you do
your homework before you got here ? If not, you really are as stupid
as we think.//
Because most who came here were misled and lied to, but then again,
that is normal canuck behavior.
You are going to find how stupid non-whites are when they stop
contributing (one way or the other) to your tax system. It is
already happening- you see, because of their low income, they use a
little more of tax dollars than they put in the system. If things
improve in their birth countries, or taxes get worser here, you will
be on your own and you won't like it.
I do hope you have considered that your retirement would include
living in an under-heated unrepaired house eating dog food (good cat
food will be too expensive for you). And if you are of working age,
then you will be taxed into poverty.
//4) If you or your decendants think you will ever be accepted,
think again, you'll always be thought of as outsiders. It you only
knew what was being said about you.//
Non-white immigrants do not have to care if their kids are accepted,
because they will be the majority (initially in the working
population). It is your kids that will have to worry about
acceptance in the new system (assuming you have any).
I would not be too optimistic about your kids not facing prejudice
and discrimination, what goes around comes around.
PS- What canucks like you think about non-white immigrants is well
known and reciprocal. Do you really think they (future taxpayers)
want to keep paying for your retirement and health care benefits. Do
you really think they are going to help you, even a little bit, when
you need them.
//5) This country is on the brink of putting all of you in your
place, its just beneath the surface now.Keep it up, and you'll find
out how unhospitable we can be.//
You are a rapidly aging and declining population with a strong but
false sense of race based superiority and entitlement. Your whole
economic system can (and will) go insolvent pretty quickly.
Your opponents are much younger, more fertile, more educated,
smarter and don't like you.
If I had to place a bet on who would win, it certainly would not be
you.
To recap, canucks should realize that non-white immigrants do not
actually have to do anything bad to screw up your future. They can
achieve that by doing nothing useful, not being helpful, and taking
more out of your system than they put in it. They have an option and
a future, you have neither. Consider that..
anyway.doyoucare @ gmail.com
January 15, 2008
To my fellow immigrants and would-be
immigrants,
RE: LABOUR MARKET OUTCOMES FOR MIGRANT PROFESSIONALS: CANADA AND
AUSTRALIA COMPARED
I have seen a lot of anecdotal information in this forum - often
baseless and without reliable sources. It is my intention to post
studies critical of the Canadian immigration system, exposing its
flaws and suggest possible remedies to improve it. This study was
written by Lesleyanne Hawthorne of University of Melbourne and was
commissioned by the Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) and
Human Resouces and Social Development Canada (HRSDC) to compare
immigrants' performance in the labour market between these two
countries. This study included diverse occupations like engineering,
IT, accounting, medicine, etc. and compared principal applicants
only (not family class or refugees). I have summarized here
important points which highlight the fact that Canada is not a good
place for immigrants:
(a) Unemployment represented a more significant problem in Canada,
with 14.7% of immigrant arrivals unemployed compared to 7.8% in
Australia;
(b) While 64.9% of immigrant arrivals to Canada were employed in
2001, we have seen just 29.8% were in professional work, 5% in
administration/management and 6.3% in associate professional roles.
The comparable rates for Australia were 31.4%, 7.6% and 6.2%.
Overall 23.8% of immigrants had accepted very de-skilled work in
Canada, compared to only 20.7% in Australia;
(c) In terms of outcomes by place of birth, it is worth noting that
a range of recently arrived immigrants had performed better in
Canada than in Australia. For example 25% of North West European
immigrants were employed in their profession by 2001 (compared to
21.7% in Australia);
(d) The Canadian data confirmed generally tougher labour market
entry for new graduates than in Australia;
(e) For every Census Metropolitan Area (CMA) in Canada, the best
labour market integration rates were secured by birthplace groups
favoured by Canadian employers. These include immigrants from
UK/Ireland (68% were employed in Toronto in a professional or
managerial position), USA (69%), South Africa (70%), Australia/New
Zealand (69%) and Northwest Europe (69%);
(f) The following recently-arrived immigrant groups were least
likely to have found any kind of work in the examined CMA in Canada:
South and Central Asia and China/Taiwan;
(g) Employment outcomes had greatly improved in Australia for
Principal Applicants (PAs);
(h) Level of employment and job satisfaction had substantially
improved for economic PAs in Australia since the mid-1990s, with
select outcomes also improving in Canada;
(i) Salaries had risen markedly for economic Principal Applicants (PAs)
in Australia rather than in Canada;
(j) Should Canada wish to improve labour market conditions for the
economic category in the period ahead, a more radical overhaul of
economic selection criteria seems warranted than the gentle
fine-tuning associated with the 2002 Immigration and Refugee
Protection Act (IRPA), from which benefits remain in doubt.
I will be posting in this forum landmark studies that help shape
reforms in immigration polices accross members of the G8 and also
studies which highlight the looming economic troubles Canada will
face in the future.
DISCLAIMER: This post should not be construed as promoting Australia
as a destination of choice for potential immigrants. But rather
studies and information such as these should be factored in making
life-changing decisions such as immigration. I admit - I didn't do
my homework properly before coming here in Canada. My intention is
to help other would-be immigrants in making informed choices before
deciding to choose Canada as a country to settle and spend the rest
of their lives. Thank you.
Proud Filipino
Michael Batu
micmic_barrios @ yahoo.com
January 14, 2008
Hi,
My name is Chirag Patel, and I was wondering if I am able to meet
with you in-person to get some help and advice on how to be
successful with Immigration Canada. I am working for a new,
non-profit organiation called Immigration Against Immigration Fraud.
Here are some links:
I think you can also help us to network with people. I, myself,
support you for your cause, because my father, too, had difficulties
finding a job as an engineer in Canada, and had to satisfy himself
for a machine-operator job. He fill ill, and developed a brain
tumour in the early 90's and passed away in 2003.
Please contact me
Thanks,
Chirag Patel
chiragpatel478 @ hotmail.com
January 12, 2008
To All Canadian Immigrants, Which who suffered " Broken Promises"
Why I am in Canada : Uncertainty, a matter of survival, no hope of
this country. A bubble economy. No immigration the bubble will
explode like an earth quake.
Do you think You are a Proprietor ? Someone has given you a property
with a false anticipated high growth projection ( Your Home-means a
shelter) If any one misguide, your investment will grow five fold
with in 25 years, it is 100% wrong. The trend is already started
declaiming " Home sales in North America".
Every Action is an equal and opposite reaction : If the immigration
department cheated you, It is adversely affected with those promised
lands.
Where is the Prosperity of Old Immigrants. The Old immigrants lost
their prosperity to maintain their second generation. The result,
bring more immigrants and increase human resource for the resource
of few thugs. named as agencies.
Do not believe any national media, full of wrong information's and
projected calculations. Part of organized groups media
manipulations.
Internet is an open media, Share your experience, honest way.
Think Do you want to stay in a ruined place. Be involve in Democracy
with active politics. In a Democracy a country can not hide
themselves from other nations.
With Regards,
David Mathew,
dmathew @ acanac.net
January 12, 2008
you people make me sick.
You fucken third world losers who come here with some unbelievable
sence of entitlement and then turn around and call your hosts names.
Here are some facts
1) We really dont need you here despite what you think
2) We do like white immigrants and dont like you non whites. get
used to it.
3) If we are so bad why do you want to come here ? Didnt you do your
homework before you got here ? If not, you really are as stupid as
we think.
4) If you or your decendants think you will ever be accepted, think
again, you'll always be thought of as outsiders. It you only knew
what was being said about you.
5) This country is on the brink of putting all of you in your place,
its just beneath the surface now.Keep it up, and you'll find out how
unhospitable we can be.
Mike Smith
unknownzone2 @ hotmail.com
January 11, 2008
Canada is merely a ravish country especially in
the field of Culture, Weather and Works. In this country, you can't
rely on three W; those are Weather, Works and Woman.
Weather: Canada is a country of imbalance weather. If you see
today's temperature -10 degree Celsius, after two days you will see
12 degree Celsius. This type of fluctuation is now (January 2008)
prevailing in Canada. For this reason many people are getting more
and sicker. For medical treatment, itʼs a horrible scenario - Canada
government is doing in the name of free medical facility. If you go
to hospital for emergency treatment for getting severe accident,
still you have to wait minimum 6-7 hours for getting a doctor for
your treatment. This is a single instance. There are many many
instances which you can't think even you are being lived in a poor
country.
Works: Definitely you'll not get office job. As because you have no
Canadian experience and you have no Canadian accent to communicate
with people. Racism is also a severe problem. Severe in this sense
that they will not show before you that they are racists. But they
(Canadian Employers) always maintain their racism mentality inside
their minds. Their face (talking) is sweet but inside is dangerous
just like a prostitute.
You will get labour job. But for this, you have to do struggle.
After getting labour job, you can't expect that this job will be
lasted for tomorrow. Even if you show best performance, after some
days will give you lay-off or they will advise you to contact with
your Agent. If you give them choice for day shift job, after some
days they can transfer you to night shift. If you tell them that you
have serious family problem, then they will tell you to quit the
job. Alternatively if you request for Lay-off, they will reply that
they have not such plan. They will give lay-off to those people who
didn't expect that lay-off. People working in Celestica, Toronto are
experiencing this type of misery recently.
In a nutshell, you will find a modern system of slavery in the field
of labour market in Canada.
Woman: After arriving in Canada, woman finds a different type of
smell in the air of Canada which may be seductive for a man.
In fact, Canada is not a suitable place for educated immigrants.
This country is suitable for those people who have no such a
mentionable education background. But they can speak in English like
people from West Indies, Mexico,Cuba. This is also a country for
refugees.
Canada government now realized that what they did with educated
immigrants was not fair at all. Thatʼs why they have now planned (CIC
plan for 2008) to issue immigration visa to those people who are now
living in Canada having valid papers- especially the students who
completed their education. It is now proved that our concern as well
as NotCanada.Com's concern on immigration issue is genuine.
Michael French
fc26307 @ yahoo.com
January 11, 2008
To my fellow immigrants,
I have reproduced an article which caught my attention. Its a
reality that some of us have accepted or did not accept. But it
happened and still happens. I lifted it in verbatim from The Globe
and Mail, January 4, 2008, Globe Life Section page L6. Here it
goes...
THE JOB IS FILLED. CLICK; INTERNATIONAL EXPERIENCE? FLUENT IN SEVEN
LANGUAGES? I'M SORRY, THE MANAGER IS NOT AVAILABLE
Welcome to Canada. A brief smile and a nod. Get my luggage, peck on
the cheek and off we go.
Take in the sights, walk around neighbourhoods, navigate the transit
system, absorb the ambience - the honeymoon period. CN Tower: check.
Kensington Market: check. Niagara Falls: check (wow!) - the tourist
period.
Welcome to Toronto! This is the website where you can find job
postings; make sure you check it regularly. Oh, you're familiar with
it from abroad? And you've been applying for months already?
Remember, 80 per cent of jobs are in the hidden job market -
networking is the way to go. Yes, yes, I see, how does a newcomer
manage to network? All right, here are the workshops we offer on
writing resumés, doing interviews, job search strategies. No, we
won't actually find a job for you; we'll give you the skills so you
can do it yourself.
I'm sorry, the manager is not available, what is this regarding? I'm
afraid our company doesn't have any current openings. Check the
website regularly. Thank you. Click.
Hi, the position has been filled internally. Thank you for your
interest. Click.
Yes, we are still accepting resumés. Please e-mail human resources
and we will get back to you. Oh, you've sent it already? Please wait
until someone from our company contacts you. Thank you for applying.
Click.
The manager is in a meeting, may I ask who is calling? You need to
make an appointment to see the manager in person, and he is booked
solid until February. I'm sorry, what is this regarding? Yes, I'm
sure he has read your letter and knows what an asset you would be to
our company. Yes, fluent in several languages, years of co-ordinating
international operations and logistics. ... Can I put you on hold?
Click. Tell me about your work experience. No Canadian experience, eh?
But you have worked in international trade, foreign relations and
policy analysis since I was in diapers? I'm sorry, the North
American work environment is very specific and we need someone with
local knowledge. Oh, but you have a graduate degree from a leading
university in the United States? Canada is different and we cannot
use your skills. We will call you if something opens. Thank you for
your interest. Click.
All qualified candidates are encouraged to apply. Interested
candidates should submit an electronic version of their application
outlining their education, experience and contact information for
three references.
I'm sorry, your application is incomplete, please complete the
references field. Your references are international? Write them
down, of course we will call them. Our company hires on the basis of
merit. We are committed to the principle of equity in employment. We
welcome diversity and encourage applications from all qualified
women and men, including people with disabilities, members of
visible minorities and aboriginal persons. We thank all candidates
for their interest; however, only individuals selected for an
interview will be contacted. Thank you for submitting the form.
Describe a situation where you have had to deal with a difficult
customer and how you handled it. Furious dignitaries? Trade fiascos?
No, no, I mean when someone got upset and you talked them down.
Company CEOs don't count. How about someone who had a problem with
your management's service? Yes, yes, if you were the management that
works too, like, whatever ...
Come out West, we need employees with every skill! What trade do you
have: Can you weld, are you a carpenter? We might have some office
work for you too, sure. What do you know about oil? Are you up to
speed on the oil sands? If you want to make money you should
consider the oil industry, but you know, with your age. ... Physical
labour will earn you the big bucks, but hey come anyway and we'll
find you something. You bet, just call when you arrive, settle down
and we'll figure it out. Yes, it's true, housing availability is at
a historic low and rent prices have exploded, but we're sure you'll
manage.
Can you count money? You show up on time? You speak English? Ha ha,
I know you are speaking English to me right now, but I mean English
like these Canadians. You know, double-double? Toonie? Loonie? Okay,
you try for two days and we see if you are good. I need somebody for
14 hours tomorrow and 12 on Wednesday.
Pay? If you stay I pay you cash, if you go, sorry. Pay is soon, yes,
don't worry so much. You press No. 1 for this and No. 2 for that.
Don't forget. If they ask you for No. 3, just say we are out. When I
fix it, you press No. 3 when they ask. Don't forget.
One vanilla chai latte with skim milk and chocolate sprinkles. Keep
the change? I will, thank you. Click. Have a nice day. A brief smile
and a nod.
Note: The writer of this article currently survives in Toronto.
Please post this - many thanks!
Michael Batu
micmic_barrios @ yahoo.com
January 06, 2008
To my Kababayans (Fellowmen) and immigrants like myself,
I recently recieved an email from the biggest immigration
consultancy agency in the Philippines. For fairness, I will not
reveal the name of the company in this post. I am wondering how my
email address got into their list as I am already a permanent
resident in this "great" place, however, thats another story.
I have quoted the email and I will give my comments after the
quotes:
--------------------------
"Most of those who have already moved to Canada testified that the
welfare benefits betweeen Canada and Philippines are incomparable.
a) A free, quality education means that you no longer have to worry
about your children's future.
b) Getting a job is not even a problem. Jobs are abundant,
particularly if you are a qualified skilled worker.
c) When you retire, which most Filipino workers dread to happen, the
government of canada has made retirement years truly golden years.
Now tell me! Will you let this opportunity pass by only because you
still have not made up your mind? Since you still have time and the
odds are on your side, then why delay making decision? or would you
rather see your self regretting that you should applied years ago?
Everybody is responsible for his destiny. You are accountable for
whatever actions you take. Your parents have given you a good
education, make good use of it. You have a solid working experience;
use it your advantage. A good future waits to those who are
persistent on chasing their dreams.
While you are still young, in good health and the situations are
working in favor of you, decide : should you apply or not?
Make a commitment to yourself by leaping into the opportunity while
the timer has just started; otherwise, once it stops, there is no
more time left for you. Once you decide, you will thank yourself for
making such a smart move!
An opportunity is being presented to you, it is up to you to decide
to waste it or take advantage of it.
We can give this to you if you want to."
--------------------------
There are a lot of points in this email that I like to refute and
raise some questions for you to ponder on. Most of the facts that I
will use are the ones posted here and we have heard them perhaps a
thousand times. However, the difference is that this post is
directed to a particular audience - the Filipino migrants and most
importantly to would-be migrants (which comprise the third source
country for immigration Canada-wide, the largest visible minority
group in Manitoba - Winnipeg in particular - and the third largest
visible minority group in Toronto). I hope the notcanada team would
post this as its is my first.
To the stuff. It said that "Most of those who have already moved to
Canada testified that the welfare benefits betweeen Canada and
Philippines are incomparable". They must have not read this forum or
those who testified lied. Their campaign on the outset focuses on
the beauty of welfare system in Canada. I tell you if you have been
an avid reader of this forum and did your own research you would
easily say that the claim is totally false. The concept of welfare
encompass several parameters like health care, education and social
secutiry. First, lets discuss health care. It is not true that
Canada has the best healthcare system considering that 1 in 4 here
does not have access to a family doctor, and the considerable
waiting times for emergencies. Most Canadian doctors are heading to
the US for practice as it is lucrative there unlike in this place
where their salaries are capped. This is well documented. In terms
of education, yes its free for the lower levels but you have to pay
for post-secondary (with the exception of the smart ones who could
qualify for scholarships). Its also well-documented that most school
leavers - those who finished their programs at the secondary level -
end up with huge debts that the provincial governments implement
interest relief for persons who cant get jobs in the first few
months after finishing program requirements. Oh, and before I
forget, the concept of employment insurance is very popular in the
Philippines. That is one of the reasons why some of Filipinos are
interested to go here. Come on you came in this place to work not to
be on welfare. At least we show Canadians that our primary
motivation is to work and contribute to the success of this place
which you call or you would call - home.
Now lets proceed to incomparability. Well it is incomparable in many
many respects. First - We, like all Asians, have a strong culture
and our culture is not tied to one of our neighboring countries. We
have our own food, our own traditional clothes, and our customs and
traditions. We respect the elderly and take care of our elderly
relatives in the comfort of their own homes. We address our parents
by titles like Papa, Mama and the like. Now, I dont want to sound
offensive to Canadians but there are claims (not mine) that this
place has no culture and its identity is closely dependent to that
of the US. They say there is no such thing as Canadian food, this
place has no standing army (like we can be invaded by the US in
hours), and no national identity. Thats what they say. I think you
know where I'm driving at here. Second - healthcare. I used to have
private health insurance which I use to go to emergency rooms in the
Philippines. The main difference - I dont wait. I know some would
say that the Philippines is third world, but hey we have good
nurses, great doctors (the best of which were educated in the US),
and improving facilities. I say this from a Filipino professional's
point of view as I and the rest of other Filipino professionals who
were lured here used to afford the services of a private health
insurance way back home. Third - pollution. People always say that
Manila is dirty but have you checked some open lots in Toronto or
Mississauga? Its full of rubbish. Have you seen the middle section
of highway 401? Its also full of rubbish. Come on, even the GTA has
smog during summers. Fourth - hospitality. Filipinos by nature are
hospitable. Here... read the posts of some proud Canadians in this
website and judge them yourself.
Lets proceed to the next interesting point - "Getting a job is not
even a problem. Jobs are abundant, particularly if you are a
qualified skilled worker." Oh my, oh my. If you want to work in your
field there are barriers to entry for regulated (e.g. doctors,
nurses) and even for unregulated professions. I suggest you read the
classic case of Prem and Neesa Premakumaran who sued (but lost) the
Canadian government for decieving and misleading them that Canada
has an abundance of jobs and they can get jobs in their field. Prem
is an internationally trained accountant (born in Sri Lanka but
educated in the UK) wrote around 4,000 resumes in a span of 8 years
- no phone calls, no emails, no job offers. Recently, ABS-CBN (one
of Philippines largest TV stations) mentioned that: "The Philippine
Overseas Employment Administration (POEA), meanwhile, warned
recruitment agencies against violating the deployment ban in Iraq,
Afghanistan, Lebanon and Nigeria. The POEA said that Overseas
Filipino Worker applicants affected by the deployment ban have a
choice of applying as skilled workers in Canada, which has opened up
30,000 slots in the provinces of British Columbia, Alberta, Manitoba
and Saskatchewan. The POEA said that the demand for skilled workers
is in line with Canada's hosting of the Winter Olympics in 2010.
Among those in demand are nurses, health workers and mechanical and
electrical engineers" (www.abs-cbnnews.com/storyPage.aspx?storyId=104322
). What the... even the Philippine government is involved in the
Canadian immigration industry. I mentioned earlier about healthcare
and the doctor shortage. The Association of International Physicians
and Surgeons of Ontario (AIPSO) claims that there is no doctor
shortage in Canada - but a shortage of licensed doctors. Each year,
the regulatory body sets aside a minimal percentage for residencies
among International Medical Graduates (IMGs). You can get the
residency only after passing a battery of tests. For health or
engineering occupations its understandable - they dont want to
compromise health and safety of Canadians. However, for unregulated
professions the same concept of barriers exist. I have friends who
wrote hundreds of resumes but got jobs in Tim Hortons or Home Depot.
These people are university lecturers and professors, salespeople,
or researchers. The vicious cycle of lack of Canadian experience,
lack of connections, being over or under qualified, or language
skills barriers still exist. For the unregulated professions where
skills transferability is easy, I found it difficult to understand
why the Canadian labour market cannot assimilate the immigrant
workforce. Up to what extent are the human resource professionals
are involved in this? Are they protecting something? In this case,
what interests are they protecting? Are immigrants thise who doesnt
want to integrate or is it the recieving population who has
difficulty accepting? Furthermore, OECD cites Canada has one of the
most tight labour market conditions among industrialised nations.
These questions are difficult to intelligently answer given the lack
of studies that look at human resource practices or a culture clash
(like the one mentioned Dr. Reitz's study).
On the last point - "When you retire, which most Filipino workers
dread to happen, the government of canada has made retirement years
truly golden years". Golden years 'eh. Why is it that many Filipino
seniors stay in nursing homes? Why do some seniors fall in line
outside the food banks to make both ends meet as their GIS and
pensions are not enough? Their children not taking care of them and
only visiting them once in a while. There were studies that said
most second or third generation immigrants' ethnic culture becomes
replaced by the recieving country's culture (for the case of Canada,
most academics refer to it as beliefs) over time. I think it has
manifested in most second generation Filipinos as it is not in our
culture to leave the elderly unattended by their children.
I hope I was able to enlighten my kababayans who want to join us
here in this place and to my kababayans who are already here. In the
future I would be posting a lot of analysis of recent literatures
about the plight of immigrants as I have seen a lot of debate (often
with violence) in this forum. Further, I am currently developing a
proposal for the case of effectice integration of immigrants for
"unregulated" occupations. I know that this will take time and let
us hope that it will succeed.
Thank you.
Proud Filipino.
Michael Batu
micmic_barrios @ yahoo.com
January 05, 2008
To Samir Roy,
I agree, a country cannot sustain itself without export if it hopes
to prosper. And doesn't the US love to enforce its views and
opinions on the world by manipulating countries with such trade
tactics (logging, beef). Just like children at play " Do it my way
or I wont play with you!"
By the way, I love your quote " But then again reality is to canucks
what light and garlic are to a vampire."
How long did it take you to throw that tasty little number together?
The irony in it is so thick you can cut it in half with a "George
Bush Administration".
Its a shame that it is only those who like to throw their weight
around and force their opinions on others that appear to speak for
the whole. Thats why the general image of americans throughout the
World is one of ignorance (which shouldn't be the case, becuase even
though all americans HAVE a-holes, NOT all americans ARE a-holes).
But blind patriotism exists solely for those who need to defend it.
Those who mind thier business are rarely heard, so maybe its time
that they spoke up. So ya know what ???.... "i gut a couple things
to say "aboot" it.
Lets see if I can "gump" my way throught it, besides, there isnt any
hockey on TV right now, Tim Hortons is closed and my sled dogs are
asleep..... so I got a couple minutes.
I looked at the picture of the "Doctors BudgetMart Application" on
the picture page....thats just funny, I imagine his only other
option being the three finger cavity search while crossing the
border into the States.
I picture him / her standing there looking out at the border
crossing to the states with the application in hand:
....hmmmm....." I could go back to being a Doctor in my homeland,
stay in Canada and work at Budget Mart....or head on down to the
"land of the free and home of the slave" ( woops... I meant home of
the brave) and spend my days ducking drive by bullets, and
constantly encountering folks with the mindset that they are just
plain better and more intelligent, thinking that gives then the
right to do as they please."
What do I do?......Thats a no brainer!!...
"WELCOME TO BUGET MART, SNOW SHOVELS CAN BE FOUND IN AISLE 7"
So what is it then? If all these professional immigrants are driving
cabs in Canada, is it maybe because its better than being a
professional in another country? What is it that keeps them here?
I know that for myself, Id rather be a Canadian cab driver than an
American ....oh I dont know ..... lets say .....Lawyer?
My uncle recently moved back from the states after originally moving
there in the sixties. We often compare his moving back to Canada as
a sort of rehabilitation.
We say he is a recovering A-hole in a 12 step program.
And Mr. roy, if ya like analogies, I got another one for ya....
Just like comparing american beer to Canadian beer, american logic
is much the same, "Fairly weak lacking substance, a mere fraction of
its counterpart and only just enough to give us Canadians a
headache."
So of course there is need to reply Mr Roy, I've said what I felt
needed saying and I wont be here (to read any hate filled retorts
aimed at my uneducated small minded ways-a-thinkin' ), as I have
found a rock in the back yard who has proven to be just slightly
wiser than yourself and a bit more of a challenge. .and thats all I
have to say "Aboot" that.
My name is Derek and I am Canadian.
Derek D
deckstir @ hotmail.com
January 04, 2008
Hi,
I'm a Canadian living in Germany.
Before coming here I lived in the US and Britain and every country
had its good side and bad side.
I think that I could say the same about the people who lived there
too.
Racism is unfortunately a worldwide happening that stems from the
general attitude: "me first, you last",
and that attitude has been around for centuries. We like to find
reasons like religion, race etc. to
make it stick, but at the end of the day I know Americans that don't
like other Americans, Canadians
that can't stand other Canadians and Germans that really hate other
Germans to which I might add that most Brits
never talk to their neigbors.
If you're looking to move anywhere in the world take that into
account. No one out there will be particularly interested in
making you feel at home, you have to do that for yourself.
I found that humour and never taking anything personally really
helped me to integrate.
Integration is the key to success in any foreign country.
sorry to hear Canada has been a nightmare for some of you...
you'd probably never survive even one day in Germany, but I kinda
like it.
erika
ermail @ gmx.net
January 03, 2008
To all the loser canucks,
It does not matter what you try to say or do..
The reality is-
1] You are absolutely dependent on the US to survive. I said survive
(not just prosper). Natural resources are useless unless someone
buys them. You cannot sell most of that stuff to yourself and still
have a first world standard of living. Without that foreign money
you cannot sustain a government, services, infrastructure or any of
the trappings of a developed nation. Someone can however take the
land and resources away from you by force (like your ancestors did
to the natives) and put you on reservations. It just happens that it
is more profitable for them to trade with you than take stuff away
from you by force. Pray that it remains so. And a US led world-wide
recession could make your lives, shall we say.. very interesting.
2] Canucks hate the USA. You can deny all you want, but that is the
reality. This hate comes from a deep seated inferiority complex and
is unlikely to go away, since you will never be better than them,
and you know that. They do not feel any special bond for you, you
are just another adjacent country. They will help you only if it is
their best interests, not because you are white. Had to burst that
bubble. If you doubt that, read about the history of wars between
white nations.
But then again reality is to canucks what light and garlic are to a
vampire.
3] You do have a problem with non-white people making a decent
living and making money according to their ability. It is doubtful
if you have any concept of things such as merit and potential. You
seem to believe that an intelligent professional from a non-white
country should be subservient to you just because of his skin color
and accent. Do you really think that they had a bad life from where
they came from, maybe they just felt that they could get a better
one (which is what all humans aspire for anyway).
4] You think things will always be the same (just like you think
they were in the 1900) and in your favor. However reality has other
plans for you and it does not care about your beliefs and wishes.
5] Given all the baby boomers retiring in the next decade, who do
you think is going to pay the taxes to prop up your system? Your
last hope was non-white professionals with good jobs. Guess what..
they do not have good jobs (much lower taxes) or have moved on (no
taxes or revenue). However their legal entitlement to benefits does
not change, nor does the increasing costs of keeping baby boomers
alive and fed.
How are you going to conjure up that extra money without creating
destructive hyperinflation or devaluing your currency and accepting
a much lower standard of life? Even the US (with the complicity of
Europe, japan, China) cannot pull that off. Do you think you are
different?
Samir Roy
satan.aka.lucifer @ gmail.com
January 02, 2008
As obvious as it is that this forum is not
meant to be a discussion
board for flaming,
I'll reply to Kathie's vitriol in a calm manner. She claims that it
wasn't easy for her to establish
this country. Why? Did she fight a revolutionary war? Did her
ancestors? No. Instead her ancestors
FOUGHT the Heroic Americans in their attempt to overthrow British
and
later Victorian tyranny
and arrogance. Did she fight a civil war to defend Blacks from
slavery? No.
She claims that Canadians are not war mongerers, yet you vote for
someone like
Stephen Harper may he rot in hell, who is a puppet of the most
idiotic
and brutal
régime the world has ever faced: The neo-cons under Señor Bush.
What egotistical people like Kathie do not realize, is that the
corrupt Canadian government
have sold out the immigrants AS WELL as the lower and lower middle
class Canadians.
What she fails to see in her evident Canadian prejudice - something
I
have become accustomed
to in WASPS (White Anglo-Saxon POS') like herself, is that the
government has been selling
off crown assets for quite some time now. Highway 407 ETR which cost
us 100 billion
dollars to build, was sold to the king of Spain. Of course you
re-elected the Harrisite
government that did this for a second term. Mr Harris' exploits were
revealed when his
bodyguard spilled the beans about his nazi sympathies Next, the
government sold off the
Canadian steel industry to an Indian company named Mital And Son
(Poetic justice?).
The blatant stupidities carried out by her (And I say her - I don't
consider myself Canadian
even though I was born here) government are so out in the open, that
all the nepotism
and fake smiles in the world won't dull the pain of the knife in the
back of the lower classes.
Then she dares come here and lambast any dissident voice that dares
to
speak out at the
appalling abuse and trouncings on people and civil liberties that
takes place routinely,
on a daily basis in this pathetic excuse of a country.
Look at your five dollar bill. That's Sir Wilfrid Laurier. He was
the Prime Minister of Canada
from 1896 to 1911. He saw the dangers of the British Canadian
imperialist racism here
and he wanted to join the U.S. Whether he was correct or incorrect,
is
a matter for the historians to discuss.
Furthermore, I just want to let the immigrants here know, that
Kathie's behavior
and the behavior of privileged Canadians in general is not something
new.
After the great depression the rate of despotism was so high, so
that
you literally had palaces overlooking slums. The Canadian prison
system
was probably the most notoriously brutal in the world then, and
little
has improved.
People had to fight for welfare then, and they have to fight for it
now. Nothing has changed.
The Canadian president during the second world war, often referred
to
Eastern European
immigrants (Such as the doukhobors) as "Smelly cattle", and
consulted
a crystal ball
for the future.
And finally, why do the citizens of Ontario have to pay taxes for
Catholic schools?
I am not Catholic, I'm Jewish. I don't believe ANY specific religion
should have
preference over another. This is just another form of Canadian
racism people.
You pay for THEIR special religious schools. You have to pay to
educate their
demonic spawn, so that they can be more educated than your kids in
their
fancy overfunded Catholic schools, so that they can have a better
education than
your subhuman immigrant children, in the future job market.
So as you can see. The whole system, from the ground up, from when
your baby
exits your womb, is set up so that you and your children (The
slaves)
will be flipping
their bovine growth hormone laced meat for the pennies of the
disposable income
their rich children will be throwing at you (The beggar).
My advice to Kathie: Keep your mouth full of sharp teeth closed. You
have
failed miserably. You're all bark and no bite. I've dealt with
bigger and worse
than you. You forget, I lived on the streets of your worst city. And
it didn't kill me.
It made me stronger. You, just like the rest of your allies, are a
paper tiger.
You may intimidate the newcomers, the poor and downtrodden. But
you can't intimidate me. I know what goes on, I speak the language,
and I have the resources to fight ignorance like yours.
Moishe Wasserman
moishew @ gmail.com
December 31, 2007
From a proud Canadian citizen:
You people make me sick. Canada is the one of the most immigrant
friendly, clean, polite, resource rich, and educated countries in
the
world. Have you ever been to any other first world country with such
a
lax foreign administration and policy. You think we are all a bunch
of
money hoarding, tax evading snobs. Has it even ever occurred in
your
tiny little critical brains that maybe it wasn't so easy for us
"corrupt racists" to establish ourselves here either. We're the
ones
who built this "horrific and disgusting" country with nothing more
than primitive tools and our bare hands.
Yes, the first Canadians
were
well educated and well established but they never once complained
when
their talents were wasted building homes and working fields. I'm
terribly sorry that I had to listen to your whine-fest and idiotic
leftist comments. We may not have much of a military force but at
least we don't go out starting wars over oil, money, and religion.
So
f*** off. Never once before have I even ever had to approach this
topic as this glorious country is so lenient, accepting, and
cultured
(ever heard of poutine?). You think you have it so hard. Canada is
a
country of freedom, tolerance, and peace. Canada is the greatest
country in the world.
Kathie Vanular
kvanular @ sympatico.ca
December 27, 2007
Hello,
My parents came to Canada in the 70's from Israel. They did this
because, at the time,
Pierre Trudeau - may he rot in hell, started an initiative - just as
we have today - to bring
foreign intelligence into the badly lacking Canadian economy. My
father studied in one of
the most, if not the most prestigious university in the world. The
Technion University in
Haifa, Israel. He graduated with excellence, like his father, in the
field of Architectural
Engineering. He fought in two wars, the Six Days War and the Yom
Kippur War, and
rose to the rank of Lieutenant. He had always worked contractual
jobs
in Israel for
engineering firms, and after the wars, he was geared to work on the
Israeli Fighter Plane
Project which was cancelled under pressure of the Americans.
At that time, in his local newspaper, there was a very enticing
advertisement to come
to Canada for engineering work. Supposedly, there was a huge demand
for engineers.
My father was dating my mother at the time, and he told her that he
would leave to
Canada, and that she could come with him if she wanted to, she opted
not to, but
later married him in Toronto. My father first started work in
Vancouver as an engineer.
They employed him for one and a half years. He subsequently had a
difficult time finding
ANY kind of engineering work for some reason (We all know the
reasons,
my friends).
He even went so far as to try his luck in Edmonton, the frozen baren
wasteland of what it is,
though he stayed there for only a short time, finding nothing but
frustration.
Later, my father took on menial labour in Toronto I believe, digging
ditches and
driving a truck. My mother, whom I mentioned before, moved to
Toronto
at that time,
to escape her oppressive father, and to marry my father. After my
mother got
married she also had a difficult time getting a job, even though she
was an
expert ballet dancer having been paid to travel all over Europe with
groups,
and performing there, as well as a credited gymnastics teacher
(A job which she carries on with till this day, in her advancing
age).
Being the tough resilient man that he was, he decided that he
wouldn't
let the Canadian machine get the better of him. He moved with my
mother to Waterloo, and studied the emerging Computer Science
technological
field to become a programmer. He later completed the degree at York
University.
He worked for Air Canada, until they disbanded his sector, and then
worked for
a small Canadian software firm until they went bankrupt. At both
jobs
he was highly
respected for his work and was successful. Taking advantage of the
emerging
computer field he started his own business building and selling
computers which proved
to be ludicrous at the time, and is still involved in this highly
overcrowded business today.
My family are not White. We are Jewish. We look Semitic. We have
darkish skin with
Semitic features. I can certainly relate to all the foreigners here
who have experienced
the racism in Canada. It's not so bad when some redneck attacks you.
But when a
government official attacks you with their vicious racism, you
freeze. Your
mind has a hard time accepting what just happened. Then when you
have
time to recover
(For those who do recover) from the attack, you realize what Canada
really is. It's a country
that parades on the back of the U.S. It's nothing more than a
feigning of democracy.
They give off the impression that they are such a wonderful nation,
when they are nothing
more that an extremely racist third world oligarchic dictatorship,
where the white man rules.
In reality, even a tiny country like Israel could wipe Canada off
the
map. This is a country with
no real army, no real weapons, no nuclear arsenal. They are nothing
but criminals who hide
behind the U.S. border and play their scams on the world, getting
rich
of the death, misery,
and suffering of anyone stupid enough to have any dealings with
them.
I was homeless in Toronto, and I have to say that looking back, I
would rather be homeless
in the slums of Calcutta than be homeless in Toronto. I have been to
the depths of hell.
I have been to Seaton House (Which is called Satan House by anyone
who
has been there),
and almost every single other homeless shelter in the GTA. It's
terrible. You have to put up
with the people who smoke crack cocaine, the alcoholics, terrible
snoring at night. I sat
on the curb near George Street, in my rags, thinking "Is this really
suitable for a 23 year old
who has never committed crime, who's father is an honored soldier in
his country, well
educated backgrounds, who's people were mercilessly slaughtered by
the
nazis only 60 years ago,
that I should die a slow painful death on the horrible streets of
Toronto by these new,
worse Canadian nazis at such a young age?"
Somehow I managed to pick myself out of the situation. I never went
on drugs, I never
turned to crime, I kept my nose clean so-to-speak. Today I suffer
constant physical pain
from all the walking I did on the streets to get food (I maintained
a
vegetarian diet because
all the fat Canadians serve is pork and if you don't like it you can
go back where you
came from - Oh wait, I was born in Canada, maybe I should crawl back
into my mother's womb),
constant psychological stress, and I find it almost impossible to
make a living.
One thing I can suggest to you guys is never to go on welfare. The
welfare
system is designed to humiliate you. When I went there, the white
Canadian
German woman would play all kinds of tricks on me such as slamming
the
door really
bad, trying to get me to sign certain agreements which are against
the
"Ontario Works"
laws, and then calling in her fat boss (Who's name was Hal Roach. I
call him Hal Cockroach)
to throw a hissy fit at me when I demanded to be shown where it said
I
had to sign such
and such to receive the social assistant payments. I wasn't falling
for it and I preferred
to remain a homeless vagabond on the streets of Toronto rather than
to
deal with the
white nazi trash racism that 6 million of my people died because of.
In retrospect, I would like to say that I think the detrimental
efforts of the selfish,
racist, conceited, and criminal Canadian government and it's citizen
cohorts crushed
the dreams of my parents, who are now both in their 50's and 60's,
and
destroyed
my life. I speak and write perfect English, I am to tune with the
Canadian "Culture",
but there's one thing that will never make me a Canadian. I have a
slight tan tinge
to my skin and semetic features.
Forget it. Screw this country. Let them self-destruct, they don't
need us? We don't need them.
Moishe Wasserman
moishew @ gmail.com
December 26, 2007
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Napoleon Dermatas
onapoleontas @ yahoo.ca
December 06, 2007
Thank you for the website-thank you for the truth-thank you for the
possibility to let people know what really happens in Canada…!!!!
We lived in NS,Canada for 10 years, were told that all will be good
within 6-12 months-it took them 3,5 years..were told that we could
start a business…and would get support—nothing….contrary-after 9
years they used my business plan for a 650,000.00 CAD project for
their own purpose…the big fish(lawyers, politicians, ACOA and
such)…and then it went through the proper –political
channels…there’s more-let me know if you want to know…
We both were skilled, energetic and wealthy enough to start a good
work-life in Canada-we had a plan, will-power and knowledge…we had
to clean Hotel-rooms, sewer tanks for 5,50 an hour and had no job
security for 10 years…..that is Canada!!!! Now we have nothing left
but our family…
I will make it my life’s-work to guide people away from that
country…I will do whatever it takes and however I can help you!
We are back in Europe-and happy!!!
Best Regards,
Matthias Brehmer
u.brehmer @ hotmail.com
December 05, 2007
Here are some relevant articles
High student loans, low salaries, people leaving Nova Scotia:
http://thechronicleherald.ca/Front/564369.html
Immigration soon to be the only source of growth in Canada: http://www.brooksbulletin.com/news/national_news.asp?itemid=61183
Potential Immigrants!! --> Listen up! Canada only wants foreigners
to come to their country for the following reasons:
1) Canada needs their money, Canada wants their life savings.
2) Canada needs their slave labor.
3) Canada needs them to come and pay taxes, so that the country can
fund their healthcare and social programs.
4) Population growth! The number of deaths in Canada exceeds the
number of births, as a result the population is declining.
5) The rest of the world is progressing while Canada remains
dormant. To offset this Canada wants the best and brightest to leave
their countries and come to Canada.
S. Jerzak
Toronto, Ontario
stanjer @ mailcity.net
November 17, 2007
Today I read in a report from the CBC news (The National) that a
polish immigrant who just arrived to the Vancouver Airport was
killed by RCMP officers. His only crime was not to speak English.
If you read the news you will find that the RCMP strongly defends
his actions and I can say that the relatives of the victim never
will receive an apology.
If this happens to a white Caucasian European person imagine what
would happen to a non-white, non-European person.
It is a good example of what immigrants have to go through.
Find out more in: http://www.cbc.ca/national/blog/video/crimejustice/a_deadly_landing.html
Jose Lara
jlara420 @ hotmail.com
November 16, 2007
Dear John Trew,
Regarding your 03 January 2007 letter to www.notcanada.com, most of
what you have read on that website is accurate. There are good sides
to Canada, if you are very fortunate, but there are some very
serious drawbacks when compared to my/our home country of England.
For example, car insurance from private underwriters for "new"
drivers to Ontario cities is prohibitive (CDN$2,500 to $6,500
annually, for a 2 litre automatic saloon intended for private use),
car repairs are extortionately expensive, medical care is erratic
and often substandard and prescription, dental care and
physiotherapy costs could cost you far more than you've ever known.
I am now a qualified Canadian lawyer but am still, nearly 7 years
after my arrival in Canada, having great difficulty establishing my
legal practice. So much so in fact that I actively discourage
everybody and anybody whom I encounter and who wishes to emigrate
here from emigrating to Canada.
I would suggest to them Australia/Western Europe instead or, if you
must emigrate to North America, then choose the United States with
its much larger economy and more transparent, dynamic hiring system.
Canada's population is roughly half of Britain's but the poorly
balanced Canadian economy is nowhere near half of Britain's size and
there is much wealth inequality. The Americans operate more on the
British wavelength too; Canadians are usually too fickle and
constantly scheming to be propely understood, less still trusted,
despite however friendly they might seem.
The federal Canadian government's only interest in immigrants is to
extract as much money as possible from them before they arrive in
Canada (thereby maintaining lower taxation levels and an obscene
national surplus) and thereafter to throw them to the lion bankers,
landlords and career advisors who proceed to fleece the New Canadian
of their life savings. Generally, those from Britain who stay here
do so out of shame or simple poverty - they cannot afford to return
home on the low incomes they make.
"Canadian Experience", in reality not being much different to the
experience that one could acquire in more advanced industrialized
countries like Belgium or Italy, is indisputably a smokescreen for
exclusion based nationality and on race. I have even heard
professional agency recruiters at Randstad (Bank Street, Ottawa) try
that line on me when I first arrived. It is simply naked
protectionism and, in the right circumstances, is definitiely
actionable at law under Human Rights legislation - if you can afford
to sue. Recruitment for good jobs here runs principally on nepotism
and not at all on merit; and the effects of that idiotic system are
everywhere to see in what is a clearly dysfunctional country.
From one Briton to another, trust me when I tell you John that
Canada is to be avoided like the plague. Your skills will wither;
francophones, Iranians, Germans and those of Irish descent who are
pro-IRA/anti-British will block or restrict your every chance for
employment/advancement (non-white Britons included) and your
finances will definitely tumble. This country is riven and teeming
with all kinds of small-minded prejudices and houses one of the most
corrupt, autocratic governments in the western world (for example,
Google "Earnscliffe, Dr Serge Nadeau, RCMP Zacardelli, shooting of
Ian Bush").
Again, trust me when I tell you this: Britain may be crowded and
expensive but the level of sophistication, general civility and
career opportunities there far surpass anything available in this
declining country. Don't be fooled John, come here on holiday only.
Canada is actually a dump to live in with very limited career
prospects.
Yours,
Mr. G, BA Law (Sussex), LLM (Leicester)
escapee999 @ hotmail.com
November 15, 2007
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Grzegorz Zarychta
rhodin @ poczta.onet.pl
November 14, 2007
Hi,
There is a chance, that you may want to use the information from
http://fairwhistleblower.ca/wbers/canadian_wbs.html for yor website.
Every case listed there reveals a piece of dirty laundry from
diverse
sectors of Canadian life. Imagine, how many more cases are
successfully silenced.
Cheers.
bckommerz @ gmail.com
November 01, 2007
As a seventh generation Canadian I have to agree with the points of
the website.
Immigrants are lied to by their new 'Canadian' government. In that
regard,
they are no different to Canadians born within the country.
One point missing on the site is the systemic fascism that exists
within
the Province (Republic) of Quebec and within the federal government
that panders
to French Quebec at every turn.
Despite the 'freedoms' written within the Charter of Rights and
Freedoms,
any government can and will cancel any of those freedoms at any
time.
So freedoms in Canada are really just privileges.
Ask any of the 300 thousand Jews or anglos chased out of Quebec by a
string of linguist fascist
governments.
If you expect fair treatment by the federal government in terms of
opportunity,
just take a look at the federal government's phone directory, and
you will see that virtually
every senior post is filled with someone from the 'je me souviens'
province. As a result,
the policies espoused by the federal government (regardless of
party) have a bland socialist mediocrity
to them that has resulted in lack of freedom, high taxes and low
productivity due to
government intrusion into the marketplace.
Canada is a sick and splintered country. Its schools have been
dumbed-down to the point where
a passing grade is 50%. How would you like to fly on an airlline at
which only half the planes land?
Canada's universities turn out five lawyers for every one engineer.
And its productivity rates are
dropping in relation to its competitiors to the point where its
standard of living has fallen from
second to 13th in the past decade.
Canada is the largest wood producer in the world, and has never even
built a chain-saw!
Canada is a country. But it will never be a nation. It does not
offer a common culture,
a common language, or even common protection under the law.
Why would you ever want to go there?
Come to the United States as I have. Enjoy the freedom! The right to
fail or succeed is in
your hands rather than some French bureaucrat or useless political
representative who
does nothing other than vote as he or she is told by their party.
America is the best country. The best last hope of human-kind.
Forget Canada. It's filled with losers.
Richard Fallis (Wisconsin)
Richard & Martha Fallis
mfallis2754 @ charter.net
November 01, 2007
Hi,
I am a Pakistani IT Pro who applied for Federal Skilled Immigration
in March 2003. In July 2007, I got a letter requesting updated docs.
After sending the required docs, I emailed the CHC in Islamabad to
inquire about expected processing time and got the reply 'Be
Patient.....we receive a lot of mail and cannot sort it out
immediately'
I have checked some forums and found out that applications from the
US are processed within 1 year or so.
Is this delay deliberate? If Canada really needs professionals, why
does it take 4 years (and God knows how many more) to make a
decision? Why does'nt the Canadian government hire more staff to
process cases faster? After all, it is making good money out of the
immigration business. I don't see any sense and consistency in this
policy.
AQUIB MIR
Lahore-54792
Pakistan
aquibmir @ yahoo.com
October 31, 2007
Hello everyone,
I don’t want to convey bad about Canada but this is my experience as
a student, worthless but after 4 years got my H1B, going thru lot of
experience (bad) in life. Never expected it to be this way in
Canada.
Im a Bcom grad with certified software professional from Ind with 2
years exp in software Well it’s a long story I been in Canada as a
student since 2003. firstly got Post Graduate I20 from the college
which I thought it was so precious, got my visa n packed to go
Canada. Paid $11000 to college. After couple of months the college
closed down cudnt express my feelings what I was going thru (not 1
but got into this trap). Could’nt do anything far away from home.
That’s 1st bad experience.
Then I was searching for a job got what guess
dish washing for $6 worked for a year then got frustrated cause my
visa is yet to complete started searching for a good college which
would extend my stay by God got my extension for 1 year n now I
applied for visa to c my parents thru courier they called me for an
interview ( one of my friend was deported back with my same status)
dint want to take any risk, stayed back for one more year labour to
the country. “I don’t know if I hurted someone it was affecting me
in this way”. Then joined a dollar stored for $5 f…..ing horrible
attitude owner who tortured me almost 1 ½ year mean while got it
extended one more year n applied for H1B file returned due to
improper document, cudnt get thru that year. Literally I was praying
everyday in my sleep please release me from this torture y had to do
all this shit work away from home suffering within myself. Left that
second job too then searched for a factory job got a job in 15 days
for $8 got into that job to earn my living in CANADA.
Worked in that factory for nearly 1 ½ year. One
day when I was in the agency pick up truck to the factory, One guy
stepped in introduced himself to me that he was from Pakistan n he
is new to country on immigrant status an software engineer with 10
years of exp with 2 children, I told him within me welcome to Canada
“ I pity him” hope he got a job in his field.
my prayer was accepted n I got my H1B approval in 2007 I was 1 of
the happiest n luckiest guy in CANADA. Got my visa stamped moved as
immediately as possible to India not anymore now Im happily doing my
SAP n hope to get a job in US.
almost all of my friends from Canada moved to US n r doing jobs in
IT.
One more instance been to a doors n windows
factory, there 2 black guys pick me for delivery of windows n doors
which weighs not less than 50 kgs, these 2 guys force me to lift
when im 58 kgs ( I told them for God sake please stop this i cannot
lift them they say u have to when u have come to do the job or else
u wont get paid)
Growing country for labour jobs, y don’t they go n recruit the
uneducated from 3rd world countries atleast they will b happy in
doing these jobs (LABOUR)
By this I don’t want to disappoint anyone, but expressed my LIFE in
CANADA.
All the best
daniel deendayal
dannitheduffer @ yahoo.co.in
October 31, 2007
My family (including my wife and my 2 sons)
moved to Canada in Dec 8, 2000. I had B.Sc. in Electrical
Engineering, 11 years experience in induction motor design with few
new designs that I wanted to publish someday in Canada! I had run
research & experimentation and then electrical engineering
department for about 9 years.
For 4 months, day and night I looked for a job in my field. I would
always tell my wife if I couldn’t find a job in Canada who could?
After four months that our money (all that we had saved in 11 years)
started to run out, to my wife’s advice I looked for a laboring job
and in one month I find a job as a glass cutter! in Etobicoke, ON
(west of Toronto).
(I need to say that because my wife was pregnant, she couldn’t work)
I’d live in east of Toronto and my job was at west of Toronto. I had
to change 2 buses and subway to get to work. It took me exactly one
hour and a half to get to work.
I used those 3 hours that I spent in bus and subway for studying to
keep my knowledge fresh and meanwhile applied to PEO. A process that
took me 2 years and 8 months to get Provisional License. I passed
their technical interview (those Canadian professional engineers who
interviewed me were surprised by my information in induction motors
area), their law and ethics exams and all other requirements.
All those years while being called EIT (engineer in training), I
waked up at 5:00AM, left home at 5:45AM, got to work at 7:30AM,
worked in a very dangerous job by 6:00PM (I had to move pieces of
glasses that weighted between 10 – 300 lb and sometime much heavier)
and came back home at 7:30 PM just to survive my family.
It took me one year and a half to recognize my situation when I
found out I had already developed depression. I decided to stand and
not to give up. I thought anyway two years later I can become a
Canadian citizen and can apply for a job in US. “I was sure that
America has been founded on anything except discrimination and
racism.”
I started to buy the best kind of papers, envelopes and stickers. I
bought laser printer and after studying few resume writing books, I
changed contents, format and look of my resume in a professional
way.
In the course of 2 years I sent my resume to almost every Canadian
manufacturer in the electric motor field. I got some calls from
human resource managers. They liked my resume so much, but as soon
as they found out I didn’t have “Canadian Experience” with extreme
of dishonor without any interest at seeing me whether I was right or
not, I looked like a human or animal, never came back and never
answered my phone calls. There were positions for more than one year
open that I thought they could never find someone with my
experience; I send them my resume through different sources many
times. I never received any answer absolutely.
One day one of my coworkers (while laughing) said “if you want to
find a job right away change your name to a canadian name. in your
online resume”. I took it as serious and changed my name in my
workopolis account. In one week hundreds of recruiters checked it,
while before that in 2 years 10 recruiters hadn’t checked it!
Anyway two more years while having my provisional license,
hopelessly passed. I decided to enter college and get a Canadian
degree. A course that Canadian young students usually finished in
two years and more (and most of them dropped out), I finished in one
year (like some new immigrants). Meanwhile I saw how Canadian
education was cheap and just a store for some canadians to make
money.
In last months of my education (my family and I was already became
Canadian citizen) I applied to American employers. In a short time I
was invited for interview and hired me in less than one week. The
whole process of interview and getting my TN visa took 9 days. After
one month work in US, the company moved my family from Canada and
the only thing that we left there, was my whole family’s hate toward
a racist government and country in which close to 5 years of my life
spent in slavery.
One of the worst memories that I had in my mind about canadian
racism was related to my kids in their schools. We lived in Toronto
and in 2005-2006 school calendar year after enrolling my sons (one
in elementary school and the other in middle school), one month
later both schools changed my kids classes. My older son didn’t like
his new class, He said that they have separated all white canadians
in another class and now they are in a class with all immigrants
having a teacher with a very bad accent. He and his friends called
his former class “white class”. The same thing happened with my
younger son. He was grade 3 and his teacher had such a bad accent
that I was surprised how the kids could understand her.
Now it’s up to you what your conclusion is!?
During those years I found out, there were lots of jobs everywhere,
but just for canadian, especially with canadian names.
My wife had a canadian friend. She was born in canada, with canadian
name and canadian experience in internet and networking (she even
didn’t know how to hook up her computer). She changed her job 6
times a year. When she quit one job, she could get an interview next
day, she had interview every other month!
During 5.5 years in Canada I never heard or saw those statues of
stupidity (parliament members) to talk about highly educated
immigrants’ situation, but some of them developed heart attacks
until they finally made canada among the first countries of world in
which “gays and lesbians” could marry legally!!! They thought it was
a symbol of extreme humanity in canada!!The premiers and mayors were
honored to run a country that its floor and toilet cleaners were
engineers and doctors!! This is canadian wisdom.
Sincerely,
changiz7 @ aim.com
October 22, 2007
Hi,
I happen to read your website, and I should say that it has affected
me a lot.
I have applied for an immigration for canada, and the only
formalities left are Medical and Police Clearance. I am currently
staying in USA…
Reading peoples comments on this site, and seeing the immigration
related news, I have decided NOT to Pursue for Immigration any
further…
I don’t think Canada has any jobs for the IT industry… I work as a
Software testing engineer and I don’t find any jobs for my skills in
Canada…
If any of you guys, think that there are IT jobs in Abundance in
Canada… please reply to me
Just saw your little website, you're a bunch of
fools.
You don't like that someone's credentials need to be verified and
matched with the standards we set for those who bust their butts and
spend thousands of dollars becoming educated and accredited here????
TOO BAD!!! Then practice as the professional you state you are in
the country you got that from. Canada is no different than anyone
else in this regard. In fact my sister who is a nurse in the U.S.
has to be retested as a nurse if she takes a job in another state,
and thats within the same country!!! You're lies are hurtful to
those immigrants who have done the necessary work to gain the proper
credentials. How about the lady who died from the plastic surgery
performed by a "Doctor" from another country. It was all over the
news, why don't you post that on your site, tell us all how
wonderful the accreditation from all the other parts of the world
is. You want to know why we have these safeguards? For one simple
reason... corruption on the other end. A good friend of mine told me
of the terrible corruption he witnessed firsthand working for the
Jamaican government and how they'd give criminals clean records,
false histories and then help them emigrate to places like Canada,
the U.S. and other Western countries. He emigrated here, had to work
some crappy jobs while going through the proper channels to show
that he in fact had the necessary knowledge to be an accredited
Computer Engineer. He now works for that same Canadian government
you wish to tell lies about. Our government might not be perfect,
but its a whole lot better than the majority of the rest of the
world.
Spread Your Lies Somewhere Else,
Paul Vermaat
(Proud 1st generation Canadian)
paulvermaat @ hotmail.com
October 20, 2007
Hi,
I recently worked on contract basis in number of companies and found
many temporary workers ( from Asian countries ) from American IT
companies are finding their way into Canadian couterparts or
Canadian companies. These people apply for Canadian immigration
while in US, since it is easy to get canadian immigration, they get
PR within two years, they move their US Green card processing to
Canadian US consulates ( to facilitate and streamline their getting
US Green Card ) and temporarily move to Canada, their whole
intention is to abandon canada as soon as they get their US Green
Card. Many companies like AllStream, Irving Oil, MDS and many more
even Canadian owned companies accept these people due to lobbies and
internal references from US side ( which is total against to
Canadian principles ). This is depriving the potential job
opportunities to Canadian citizens and qualified landed immigrants
who are in this country for last more than 5 years and paying taxes.
I recently got amazed to see the volume of these people with young
faces esp. if you see any major company in Mississauga. Highly
qualified Canadian resources without jobs but these landed
immigrants coming from USA of differant nationalities are getting
jobs here, due to downslide of US dollar, it is getting more
attractive for them to stay here while their GC's are processed.
Why Canadian managers, HR departments and Canadian government is not
paying any attention to this issue, why it is not protecting
Canadian IT market, is it because majority of red necks are not in
this industry or they dont care what goes with immigrants living
here for many years frustrated by poor market, if few available jobs
are resourced carelessly like this, we are all losers. Please make
it a headline issue. This clearly proves Canada is also going the
way lobbies are in US esp. in IT industry. It must be exposed in all
channels.
Regards,
suresh venkat
sures_venkat @ yahoo.com
October 09, 2007
To Editor
Canada is stolen land white Anglophone white males.
They are ( regime and elite) very insecure, control
freaks and very greedy. They are land thieves and
holocausters they live in cocoon that is made of army,
police , intelligence, judges, crown councils,
lawyers, media, psychiatric.
They have attitude that common men born in Canada or
immigrants. Has no rights or say ( elite and rulling
class)will decide what is good for them and when.
We(elite and rulling class) will decide there destiny.
They love immigrants because they are ready made
voters, consumers, taxpayers. But they do not trust
immigrants at all. They deceive them when they apply
for immigration regime do not disclose that degree
will not recognize in Canada. So when they come to
Canada they get disappointed. And that is not worst
enough regime divide immigrant communities by using
divide and conquer policy. Just like Nazi use to turn
children against there family member and create spy in
there own home same way land thieves turn immigrant
women against there community men by brain washing
them and rewarding them better jobs. Telling them by
oppressing men of there community in it women have
economical, sexual freedom.
Canadian police are involve in ethnic cleansing of
minority and native men in very cl aver manner. Police
use there pet(informants) to kill people of there
community and media helps in it they have always
portrait minority and native men as trouble makers
gang members so when in city native men or minority
men gets kill there no out cry or sympathy at all from
community members.
Canadian police union or them shelve to create more
wealth they use people on parole and probation to
entrapment them and make arrest and investigation.
Some of the specialty of Canadian police is to never
arrest actual culprit of the crime. That way real
culprit of the crime continues to help police make
money. Police also use people on parole and probation
to sale drug(narcotics)
Canadian regime is involve in importation of
drugs(narcotics) in very cl aver manners such as it
use cargo ship but not container but in cargo ship's
propeller to bring drugs (narcotics) no x-ray machine
goes under water and no sniffing dog goes under water
and diver can only goes if they have prior knowledge.
And anther method is use airline catering companies
equipments because when plane lands this equipments
do no get sniff by dog or goes through x ray machine.
And to fool public that regime is doing something drug
problem and to jack up price regime use some fool to
entrap to bring drugs in the country.
Air India bombing was work of Canadian regime. It
had to do with jealousy, insecurity and greed.
Canadian regime had motive and Canadian regime has
made huge financial gain. They use Sikh extremist by
manipulating mind by police informant. Because
Canadian regime found indo Canadian as traitors
because they do not understand that hands that feed
not to bite. Meaning that you come to this country you
get job save money and you do not go to country that
you left in first place it did not offer better life.
And travel in there plane and dump Canadian dollar and
help this country's economy. So this traitor needs to
be taught lesson. Canadian regime also manipulates
mind of people and involves them in producing counter
fit money and specially u.s dollar so Canadian regime
can buy back Canadian dollar to make it stable and
strong.
everything about Canadians is phony economy,
democracy justice system.
insecure conrole freak has found new ways to keep
common men in slavery and that is women empowerment
and gender equality. today in Canada more men are in
in prison,mental institute,homeless shelters,living on
street,more men are committing suicide. more men are
victim of drug(narcotic) and alcohol abuse.
today Canadian regime has come up with new word for
slavery it is sacrifice. and exploitation has also
given new word it is hard work.
and when you expose this to human rights groups
includes u.n and others or to foreign government you
are embarrassing Canadian regime there for you are
punish but in more cleavers. you will be victim of
defamation. your fundamental human rights will be
taken away from you through defamation. like your
right to live and work with dignity and respect. your
right to earn honest living.
and best example of that is a Indian born Canadian
citizen name jawahar. shah who lives at 66 cowan
avenue in Toronto, Ontario who is victim of Canadian
regime for knowing too much and this how they are
punishing him.
Canada you do not have right to freedom of expression
or freedom of speech. and canadain regime and its
elite wants atmost loalty from common men.
rotan arjala
rotan99 @ yahoo.com
October 04, 2007
Hi Everybody, This is indeed a great site for all potential
immigrants to read and to evaluate carefully before hastily landing
to a foreign land. Followings is some interesting statistics
recently released which tell it all.
Currently over 1.5 million Canadian Immigrants are working and
living in the US; over 350,000 in S.E.Asia, over 80,000 in Hong
Kong, and tens of thousands of Immigrants choose to return to S.
Asia, Middle East, Europe, and S. America where they are from
originally.
Canada is a good place to emmigrate to for as long as you come from
war-torn places like Darfur, Burma, Irag and the like, or if you're
caucasian. On the other hand if you're non white even though you may
be rich or well educated, you'll still be taken as 2nd class
citizens particularly by those naive Canucks who still maintain the
mentality of a century ago, who are ignorant of the completely
different picture of the other side of the globe.
Please refer to websites such as canadafirst.net,
canadianswatchimmigration.org, etc, one will easily realize why
protectionisms are still very strong in the country, a specific race
is striving hard to ensure that all key decision players, government
policy-makers, major businesses, industries and good professional,
senior jobs are dominated by their own race and decendants.
It took more than 2 centuries for the US to wipe off most of the
unequal treatments on its coloured people. Do we talented, wealthy
or well educated Immigrants have to follow the course of the same
footstep as the US, if so how many years will we or our children
have to wait?
Lastly a friend sent me an immigrant consultant's tel in the
prairies, 264 4844, and told me that the consultant with varies
branches all over the world, is promoting heavily inside the Country
by advertising that no English needed for immigrating to the
prairies. This is exactly the sort of misrepresentation that
thousands of immigrant consultants and lawyers are practising daily
all around the world in order to help Canada to meet its annual
immigrant quota of 250,000.
It's already very difficult for (non white) Immigrants with good
English to survive, one can imagine the harshness one faces if
he/she has no English ability. When some naive Canucks keep telling
Immigrants to "go home", these people should first understand why so
many Immigrants are being lured to come to this bare and empty land
in the first place.
Joe Froz
joephreez @ yahoo.com
October 02, 2007
Thank you for this website, I have sent it to all the people on my
email list. It is vital to have such opposing viewpoints so that we
can all share our views and learn from each other.
I have lived in Canada for many years now, originally came from
Italy as a child. I have
had a good life here and do think that the country was a good place
for me as a child and as a young adult.
However, the direction however, that the nation has headed since the
1990's is very
concerning.
Let me explain what I mean with a little bit of background.
In 1984, Brian Mulroney became Prime Minister of Canada. One of his
first goals was to
tackle the country's huge debt, which was (and still is) in the
billions. But the debt grew bigger by the end of his 9 year term.
In 1991 he brought in the GST (Goods and Services Tax) which was a
7% tax added to the already in place PST (Provincial Sales Tax).
The province of Ontario (which houses greater than one third the
population of Canada) saw it's residents paying a whopping 15% on
most things they were buying.
Universities made it easier for Canadians to obtain a post-secondary
education with financial aid, grants and bursaries.
As a result Canadian Universities saw enrollment sky rocket and
bachelors degrees were produced at an alarming rate. But the job
market in Canada did not keep pace.
The intentions were all good, but the country just did not progress
the way it was predicted to. Too much education for the citizens,
but not enough jobs or money.
Today Canada has more problems than ever before. Racial segregation
in our cities, shockingly low salaries among minorities, overly
educated blue collar workers,
worsening reputation internationally, large number of born and
raised Canadians leaving the country for better opportunities
abroad, the list goes on and on.
So all in all, Canada is not a good country to immigrate to anymore.
No real opportunities exists for newcomers. Now, immigrants are
welcome
to come, hey it's a free world. Canada will always have immigrants
landing at our airports. But it's not the same future as it used to
be.
S. Biasone
sbiasone62 @ yahoo.ca
October 02, 2007
Look at what the government of Canada has set
up to resolve the issue of unemployment of immigrants and to resolve
their issue of under-employment; he came out with some community
centres to tackle this! And look at the conditions to be considered
for their services (which I consider will lead to anywhere just a
waste of time).
I contacted skillsinternational.ca : they referred me to a local
community centre, the day after I got a call from that centre : they
ask me if I am working less than 20 hours / week, and if I have less
than 3 years in Canada !!! I told her no, she told me so we are
sorry, we can't help….and she referred me to an other centre….I
called that centre, they refer me to an other agency…and when I
called them , they refer me to the first community centre!!! I
understood that it was just a waste of time as I have foreseen it.
And I had to explain my situation on every call…what's a hassle.
What do you understand from these conditions? That if an immigrant
has spent more than 3 years in this country he would have resolved
all his problems! Or they just got worse! And his life is just
ruined…and if I am under-employed (full time), I would not have the
right to benefit from these crappy community centres services…and if
I stop working as an underemployed or reduce my hours to 20 hours or
less will the government of Canada help me to support my family and
myself?... etc.
Those conditions are just another obvious proof that this country
has nothing to give us, and one should flee this land asap, at the
first occasion one can get.
The subject is open for discussion
Mohamed Y
ymohamed2005 @ gmail.com
September 30, 2007
I am of European backround, French speaking, ( mixed Eastern
European and Swiss).My parents came to this country in 1957, from
Switzerland where I was born. However, they returned to Switzerland
for many years, but decided to go back to Canada after a few years.
I have lived also many years in France and traveled to several
countries around the world. The trouble with Canada (from which I am
a citizen of since the age of seven) is that this nation
unfortunately belongs to the PAST. It had wonderful years before
with tremendous potential, but it was poorly governed and many
mistakes (economically and politically) were made during the last
35-39 years, by our politicians and decision makers. The Canadian
people as a whole is not to be blamed.I am afraid that Canada is
taking the same path as Argentina, which had a very high standard of
living before WWII and a few years after.
Another reason why you should think twice before emigrating to
Canada is political instability due to Quebec separatism which is an
ongoing and endless process for the last 40 years or so. Montreal,
once upon a time the metropolis of Canada, looks today like a dump
with dilapidated buildings, potholes in almost every single
street,abandoned offices, space to rent everywhere you look. Most of
the anglophones as well as other Europeans have left and the exodus
is still going on. This political instability affects not only
Quebec but also the rest of the country.
I repeat myself, this country belongs to the PAST and is a shadow of
what it used to be. By the way, this country should not be called
Canada any more, but renamed Northern Brazil ,because of
multiculturalism.
This is a slightly modified post of June 2006.
Spiro Dischliev
spipchimp @ sympatico.ca
September 28, 2007
Thank you so much for bring the true nature of the immigrant to the
surface. Most Canadians have known about it for some time but have
to much class to say anything about it. Our own apathy is our
biggest fault.
Having contacts around the world I will personally see that as many
people and even politicians see your website. The world should know
what they are getting when they except an immigrant into their
country.
By the time my little crusade is done any politician who is in
favour of immigration will not be elected. Any company actively
trying to bring immigrants to Canada will see a direct negative
effect to their bottom line. As well, any immigrant that speaks in
an ungrateful or antiCanadian tone will be deported.
Who am I kidding? With our cowardly politicians and apathetic
society the odds of that happening are very slim. That's what should
happen but we all know that our generation really dropped the ball
when we started believing the liberal governments we elected, when
they said we "need" immigration to succeed as a country.
So to all real Canadians I would say read this website. Send it to
all your friends and politicians. Personally I would never hire or
work with an immigrant after reading this. It's time to turn things
around and it starts with your local politicians hearing from you.
Even if we can get the makers of this horrific website deported home
to their rats and mud huts we will have accomplished something.
G. Sloan
slony @ hotmail.com
September 23, 2007
To all immigrants and would-be immigrants, hear and read these and
decide for yourself:
It's obvious from your post that you have been assimilated
successfully into your new home. You have been issued your mandatory
rose colored glasses and blinders and had your ego super-inflated
... goody for you, Shah.
You accuse me of not knowing what I'm talking about and babbling on.
However, I just finished reading your last post, and frankly,
impressed is NOT what I am. It's not so much that I disagree with
you as the fact that I have little idea of what you are talking
about and why? In fact, I could hardly believe that anyone would
actually post such a ridiculous rant. Do you have any idea of what
you are talking about? You should charge admission, ... really!!
As is easiest, lets go at this point by point;
1) You started off with the Native issue. As it is obvious that you
know nothing about this topic, lets wait till you have had a chance
to pull your head out of your backside and do some research of the
facts. I honestly can't understand much of what you tried to say
here, but since English was obviously a second language for you,
we'll let this go. (This was NOT meant as an insult so don't misread
it that way.)
2) "... babbling on something without knowing anything as Mr. All
Know and shamelessly protect their own skin like 3rd class stupid."
... What the heck are you trying to so ineloquently state here?
Because I vehemently stated that I am NOT a racist you accuse me of
trying to protect my own skin? Is that it? Why then can a Muslim or
Sikh state on here that he is NOT a terrorist and not bring down the
wrath of Shah? Are they not protecting their own skin as well? (I
hope I hit the nail here because I'm all out of ideas as to what you
were trying to say.)
3) Culture: Yes, the USA started at about the same time as Canada.
The USA formed a nation in 1776 and Canada in 1867 ... fairly close,
I guess. We were a bit preoccupied kicking their invading asses out
of our territory a few times ... even to the extent of burning down
their White House. But don't worry, they rebuilt in very nicely. So
you think that a culture is defined by it's food do you? And Canada
doesn't have any of it's own dishes? Those blinders do work very
well on you I see. This is ridiculous, but here are a few Canadian
dishes for your racist palate: McIntosh Apple Pie, BC Salmon Steak
w/Ontario Fiddles, Saskatoon Berry Pie ... oh, and lets not forget
Tim Horton's Doughnuts.
In your attempt to elevate the US cultural experience you mentioned
some of their foods, ie. New York french fries. Did you forget that
they changed the name of "French Fries" to "Liberty Fries" in their
childish tantrum of disapproval in light of France not backing them
over invading Afghanistan, ... or was it Iraq???! Is this really a
source of such pride for you and a sign of a mature culture? Most
Americans are even ashamed of this whole fiasco. As much as I really
love our southern neighbors I only mention these points because all
you disgruntled immigrants keep harping on what a wonderful,
untainted country they have. Pasture patties!!
You never saw anyone here in Canada wearing anything but T-shirts
with American sports team logos????!!!! You should have tried
actually going outside and meeting people while you were here. Do
you purposefully act stupid or is it just in your genes? Come on,
really ... Edmonton Oilers, Calgary Flames, Toronto Blue Jays,
Ottawa Senators ... the shirt logos are everywhere. Give it a rest
Shah.
You really do lead a sheltered life Shah. And what about your
comment, "Name me any popular Canadian series like Friends or
Fraser." Ok, I'll take Canadian TV shows for $500 Alex ... Corner
Gas, Royal Canadian Air Farce, The Dini Petty Show, Nothing Too Good
For A Cowboy ... The list goes on ad nauseam, but why bother. It's
also no contest that Canada is inundated with American TV. They're
fat, we're lean ... and fat tends to spill over. So what? And yes, a
lot of our performers do go south to work for the big dollars. Why?
Well, if you were a lumberjack would you move to New York City, or
go where the industry is?
4) The US has a clear distinct culture? Really, ... please ...
enlighten us. They must have just developed it after you moved
there. It'll probably be on the news tonight. How different they
must be from us, "eh"? I'll order some Moose Pizza and fluff up the
seal skins in my igloo!!!
5) You state, "All Govt.s have problems, may be dishonest.
Immigrants don�t have any problem with your Govt.�s dishonesty to
you. Problem is when they play the dirty game to the immigrants."
What if I had have said something similar and just as stupid like,
"Canadians don't have a problem with our government's dishonesty to
immigrants. The problem is when they play the dirty game to the
Canadians" ? Here you really show your racist double face. I'll say
it again, all governments lie and cheat; but I can still be a loyal
Canadian even though I may have issues with our leaders. That's what
elections are for.
6) Ok, the turban and terrorist issue. I did NOT bring these up here
to cause tensions but merely to illustrate why some of you
immigrants may be facing discrimination and racism here in Canada,
and yes, in the USA. As I stated in my other post, how do we tell
the good Muslim from the bad? Unfortunately, Muslim extremists
painted you with this stigma worldwide and it will take some time to
wear it off. Don't point your accusatory fingers at the victims
here. We're not racist, we're just terrified and trying to stay
alive. Since all these terrorist attacks were perpetrated mainly by
one sector of the world's society, racial profiling as a safety
measure is done worldwide; either openly or subversively. We may not
all like it, but it's the new post 9-11 reality.
Let me assure you that I am very ashamed of those people here in
Canada who exhibit any racism or discrimination. But what really
bothers me is that most of you are guilty of the same thing ... and
you repeatedly admit it here in this forum!! Aside from labelling
all us "white" people with the same tag of "racist", which is in
fact racism on your part, I've read many of you bashing homosexual
marriages which are allowed in parts of Canada. So, now some of you
have a new title ... "immigrant homophobes", and "hypocrites".
A lot of people that have written to me, as well as those on this
forum, have posted various links to other sites that show in film or
print how awful the racism problem is in Canada. They recount their
terrible experiences in Canada with regards to job, schools,
shopping, etc. Then, after moving to the USA, all their problems
cheerfully disappeared ... got a job, got a house, no more
discrimination and racism. As I have said before, this is the part
that really bothers me the most. I'll type this real hard so you can
all hear me ... "RACISM IS A WORLD WIDE PROBLEM". It does NOT
magically disappear when you move to the USA. Please, stop lying to
the potential immigrants regarding this issue in the USA. Yes, there
are more opportunities down there; just look at the population
difference between them and us. But stop telling new immigrants that
it's all so innocent in the USA. You are perpetuating the same thing
that you have been accusing the Canadian government of doing ...
misleading people.
Check out some of these links that illustrate the racism issue
worldwide. I chose mostly video links as I'm sure that most of you
are tired of reading by now. Do your own searches on the web. It's
all out there. Believe it or disbelieve it ... it's your choice.
7) Why on Earth would anyone care what the Wall Street Journal has
to say, Shah? In case you didn't know or won't admit it, it's just
another propaganda tool in the arsenal chest of US special interest
groups and corporations. Read the tabloids instead ... at least you
get some entertainment value there.
To the rest, including Andy: The main reason that I took all the
time necessary to write these posts is that the new potential
immigrants to Canada are being duped into believing that Canada is
some hellish, hostile rock with no chance of success for them.
Nothing is further from the truth and they deserve other input than
just that of those who unfortunately failed to cope here, whether by
their own hand or circumstances beyond their controls. Again, each
country's immigrants have their stories of success and those of
failure.
I'll make this my last post and final rebuttal here since this is
all getting very redundant. (Sound of applause from the bleachers.
See, I can poke fun of myself too.)
Good luck to all; colored or white, short or tall, fat or skinny,
female or male, religious or atheist, ... except for that crook
guillermoalvarez21@yahoo.ca who admitted to stealing $50,000 from
his fellow immigrants... you're on your own pal !! I hope the cops
find you.
Jake Pender
jakepen @ hotmail.com
September 17, 2007
Iam so disgusted by what I have read here, by
brain is about to explode
Just some facts all the readers of this site need to know
1) until the mid 1980's canada's non-white population was 4.7 %.
If you dont beleive me go to StatsCan
2) Canada's non white population is about 12-13 %. a remarkable
increase in only 20 years.
3) MOST Canadians remember when we hardly had any visble minorities
and remember when they all started flooding in
4) MOST Canadians dont want you hear and wish you would all go away
and leave us alone
these are facts, and obviously your own experiances show this as
true
5) If you new immigrants are all so educated and experts in your
professions, why dont you stay in your own country and help your own
people ?Surely they need it a lot more than us.
We are a white European based western society, get used to it or get
OUT
jax dax
jaxdax2007 @ yahoo.com
September 17, 2007
To Mr Jake Pender and all Canadians that do not
know about the facts outside of Canada.
Canada is the only country in the world that "discreetly
subcontract" tens of thousands of immigrant consultants around the
world, notably in Eastern Europe, Asia, Cental and South America to
help lure the 250,000 target of immigrants each year. Out of these
quarter million immigrants annually, only a very fraction belonged
to the refugee or political immigrant categories. The remaining,
over 90% of which are well educated professionals or wealthy
immigrants.
Many places in the world nowadays are also dying of rich and
educated immigrants, such as Scandinavia, New Zealand, Australia,
Hong Kong, Singapore and even the US, but no country ever send so
many "consultants" to do the marketing and selling jobs to get
enough immigrant quota.
If a consumer walks into a store without the intention of buying a
particular product but is pushed and hard sold by the sales
representative to buy it by saying all the nicest things about the
product, and only to find out later after purchase that its
functions and reliability are not what the salesrep has said.
Serious Misrepresentations, eh?
The Canadian immigrant consultants are exactly doing sales
representatives' jobs running regular seminars, roadshows,
advertisements etc in overseas to enthusiastically promoting people
to move to Canada. The consultants are believed to have the full
backing of the Immigration Department. The country of course has
alot of good, big and spacious, few people, quiet, good air quality,
and so forth. But like many people such as Mr Pender who have
clearly shown in their posters, many local born white W.European
decendants are simply not yet ready to accept (welcome) "visible"
immigrants who after arriving in a foreign harsh cold land often
being treated rudely, unfairly by some. Then whose faults should it
be. Until the Government and its people have a common consensus on
how well to receive and make full use of the 250,000 strong work
force a year who will also be the country's future taxpayersr,
continued criticism from all around the world is inevitable. Joe
Joe Froz
joephreez @ yahoo.com
September 17, 2007
Jake Pender
(1) I read your posting and the links regarding the quotas etc. I am
not so convinced about what you are saying though i would say that
there should definitely be a federal law (like the criminal code of
Canada) which can be enforced provincially too; which mandates
quotas at every level of employment in all government and private
jobs. This should be based on population demographics. This should
also be auditable by the federal government to ensure compliance.
That is the only way to deal with this rampant subtle and in some
cases not so subtle discriminatory behaviour in the Canadian
society. The Human Rights Code as it stands today is a joke and
without teeth and i again repeat that; as i write; lives of
professional are being ruined; as no action is being
So i would love to see some concrete affirmative action that is
enforced.
(2) That can happen only if the Governments at all levels wants it
to happen. If they wanted it to happen they there would not be a gap
in the federal government's recognition of the qualification of a
person based on which he gets the immigration visa and the Canadian
employer not recognising his qualification; once the immigrant lands
here. Right now I see this as a huge cash grab scheme designed to
make money for the governments , the universities, the colleges at
the expense of the poor immigrant. Currently there are some agencies
of the CIC which are supposed to help these new immigrants but all
they do is the same crap; that is hand out leaflets and offer
English as a second language course. FOR GODS SAKE WE ALREADY KNOW
ENGLISH, EVEN THOUGH ITS OUR SECOND LANGUAGE. That's how stupid and
frustrating the system is.
Have fun !
vikas suri
engvik2002 @ yahoo.co.in
September 17, 2007
I cannot help supporting Jake Pender. I think he is an
immigrant-friendly Canadian for the one single fact that he does not
tell anyone to leave; to the contrary, he still invites the
potential immigrants. A racist? No more than anyone of us.
Why do we, immigrants, tend to forget the basics? Okay, let me
remind them:
1 Canada does not ring our bells to tell us to apply. We are the
ones who push the button and invest a lot of effort and money on
this.
2 There are very few developed countries in this world that accept
immigrants on the basis of a point system. The criteria which make
us earn points for Canada, are exactly the same both for the Swedish
and the Cambodian people. Read the application guidelines for New
Zealand which has a similar point system and see that the # 1
university of your country is probably not listed among the ones
that count, if your source country is not one of those highly
regarded ones. In other words, they are expecting immigrants from
only more prosperous countries than theirs: a logic which explains
their demographic problems.
3 International immigration is always a one-way process, meaning
that if country A is the source and country B is the destination,
country B citizens never immigrate to counrty A. And immigration is
seldom a matter of taste, it is always more than that. I know the
following example will initiate another dispute but that is the only
one I am factually knowledgeable about.
People from Afghanistan flee to Pakistan simply to survive. That is
really a "to be or not to be," case. Are there not lots of matters
to complain about Pakistan? Sure there are.
If you are in Pakistan, a very promising destination is Iran. This
one is the difference between the monochrome and the colour TV.
However, many Pakistanis are complaining about Iran when in Iran.
The westernmost country an Iranian can legally travel to, is my
homeland, Turkey. I personally have many friends from Iran here who
somehow stay for years. They are continuously struggling with
Turkish bureaucracy to keep on staying. However they never-ever
intend to go back to Iran, they are always making fun of Turkey, and
are relentlessly saying how "European" Iran is. Especially the women
would not go back, because they know they will be stoned to death if
they did what they are doing everyday here over there, just for one
day. If anyone from Iran reads this and says he/she has seen a
single Turkish immigrant (not an extremist refugee) in Iran, I will
drop all my argumentation. We Turks? Well, we have invaded Germany
to teach them right from wrong but they do not seem to understand
our merits yet, as they are not trying to immigrate here.
In Turkish we have a saying: "The guest eats what he is offered and
not what he expects."
P.S. Do not be misled by the name appears below, that is to avoid
search engines. I am 100% Turkish, and was born and raised in
Turkey. I am happily living in Istanbul now and will be happier in
Toronto. I have taken my personal precautions for not being a cover
picture or video hero for this website, and even in the case of such
an unlikely event, either I will have shaved before my picture taken
for the taxi-cab license or will simply return.
We all should think twice and co-operate. There is no jihad, no
crusade, no enemies around. We all chose to go to Canada and that is
what we have in common. Apart from the "go away" types of idiocies,
all the criticisms we read here demonstrate that we are being taken
seriously. None of us would prefer to be a visible minority
elsewhere.
Simon Garth
lvnempas @ icqmail.com
September 16, 2007
Especially to:
Sanjay "raghead" Jones
Let me begin by NOT apologizing for the "rag" word. I used it in
that way so as to very graphically make my point. Why can all these
posters use such harsh language against Canada and "whites" but I
should feel badly about that particular word? Not any more.
Here's a look at some of your comments, though not necessarily in
any particular order:
1) I too have had the "shit" kicked out of me by Canadians. On a
visit to Vancouver about 2 years ago I was assaulted by a group of
persons with, or of, color. I was told that I was trespassing on
their turf (I was handing out sandwiches to the homeless - yes,believe it or not, I was). After a brief stint at the local
hospital and the odd pain before a rain nowdays, it's all just a bad
memory now. In Toronto recently, a "brown" associate of mine barely
escaped with his life during a stabbing attempt by Asians. Their
reason? "Black boy looked at one of our women"!! You do not have
the monopoly on being discriminated against. This type of behavior
is also not isolated to, nor indigenous to, Canada.
2) I am glad to hear that neither you nor your ancestors and their
current society fly planes into buildings. Though it does seem that
the news, be it Canadian, American, European or even that of the far
east, is filled with examples of terrorist acts perpetrated by a
certain religious sector of the world's population. If enough women
kicked you in the scrotum every time you walked by would you not
eventually cover your nuts whenever a woman was present? Would that
be discrimination or just a wise adjustment to the reality of your
environment? I'm sorry pal, but it wasn't "white folks" that flew
those planes into the Towers, or bombed the subways, or are calling
for a Jihad, etc. Perhaps you should voice your disapproval with
those that did and in turn caused all this backlash. So, yes, all
non-white "rag-heads" are the same to me for now. I really am sorry
for this, but I did NOT cause this unfortunate reality. As an
example check out the many Muslim web sites that cry out to their
followers to engage in Jihad against their "white oppressors". Yes,
believe it or not I do know what Jihad is supposed to be. I also
know what the extremists want their followers to think it is. That
is exactly what scares the "white folks". And how do we tell the
difference between the two factions? Will they agree to wear a
label for us ignorant "white folks" so we can tell them apart? The
good from the bad?
3) Your anecdote about your school life is merely a reflection of
the unfortunate reality of childhood. Children can and often are
cruel ... worldwide. Canadian children do not have the monopoly on
stupidity. Remember the stoning of the young boy in Britain by
other young children a few years ago? I have over the years had
many friends who attended school in Germany, the USA, Brazil, and
even Afghanistan. Guess what? They all have stories of bullying
and discrimination to tell ... without exception!! One of my
'token' black friends, born and raised in Japan, had such a violent
school life in Japan that she needed therapy to get herself back on
her feet as a young adult. Hence, your school experiences, though
of course traumatic for you, pale by comparison. Here's a thought;
perhaps if you were "snubbed" by your school mates it was because
you were in fact a snob or worse, a racist yourself. Or perhaps you
were just an as*hole. On that note regarding racism, why, as an
example, can blacks call white people honkeys, cream puffs, or
lilies but we can't call them anything but persons of color, or
African Canadians? Is it only racism if "white' people engage in
it? Seems that way.
4) Yes, I was qualified for the jobs which were deemed "visible
minorities only need apply". Believe it or not, some of these
included police forces, fire departments and several jobs at various
government offices. This is actually where you begin sounding
exactly like what you are accusing me of being ... prejudiced and a
closed minded racist. Last year (I believe) in Vancouver there was
an employment ad run in the local paper seeking applicants who were
NOT white. It made the headlines and I really am surprised that you
didn't hear about it. (Yes, there is more Canada on the west side
of the Rockies.) If you research this a bit I'm sure that you will
find the info on the net. But then you would have to admit that
your views are wrong.
You can also check out these links. Though some of the info on
these sites sheds a dark cloud over Canada, I am not afraid of truth
... just lies:
5) Yes, you understood correctly. I don't care
about the Sikh religion, or any other for that matter, if it allows
our schools or society in general to be filled with even apparent
weapons ... sharpened or not, religious or not, etc. Practice that
part of your religion at home. But on the other hand, I've also
heard of protests from various religious interest groups that they
find the roadside crucifixes, marking the deaths of Christian loved
ones on our highways, offensive to them. Is there a double standard
here? Again, do some research for yourself as this has also been
explored by and reported in the mainstream media.
6) You state that Canadians do not cut immigrants any
slack. That's such a broad and generalized statement of untruth and
just plain BS that the only thing it's good for is wasting space on
a page. You should consider going into the fertilizer business.
7) You also state that, "... the majority
white establishment of canada will never function as a society ..."
(You make this sound so factual and authoritative that I am buying a
can of brown spray paint tomorrow to hide my shame.) Perhaps in
your opinion those who killed and rioted for cartoons are more of an
example of a perfect society? (How can you possibly afford drugs on
$9.00 per hour?!!?) And please don't reply to this by telling me
that I just don't understand, etc. Other "societies" can burn our
flags, religious icons, or make fun of our religions in print or
film but we can't be afforded that same privilege? Give me a break
... !
8) "Your parents were never interned during the second world
war" ... How do you know this? Does your "brown" skin give you
some kind of psychic powers that I'm not aware of or do you just
paint all of us "white" people with the same brush - something that
you seem to accuse us of? My father was in fact interned during WW2
... in a Nazi concentration camp. But hell, that was just a summer
vacation, right? Are you telling me that it's only suffering
if people of color are involved? Racist!!!!
9) Another of your brilliant comments ... "I don't think white
immigrants have ever had to struggle in the same way as non whites
though." ... WHAT??? I say, WHAT???!!! I see brain farts come
in all colors? Can't argue with ignorance. I think your own racism
showed through here again.
In the end, (almost) I find most of your opinions irrelevant and
misinformed; nothing more than the typical whiny rhetoric evident
from anyone, brown or white, that has not achieved the grandeur
which they feel life owes them. You seem to be a hypocrite and
sound about as racist as the worst of them. You pretend to
understand the "white" people and reduce all our actions to being
motivated by racism. If we don't hold a door for a "brown" guy ...
racism; didn't give a non-white a job ... racism; price of gas too
high ... racism; no room at the motel ... racism; you're stuck in a
$9.00 per hour job ... racism!!! If you want to see a real racist
just look yourself over in the mirror. I'm not at all saying that
there isn't racism in Canada; I know that there is. But
unfortunately ALL ... and I'll repeat it in case you didn't get it
the first time, ALL colors, races, and nationalities exhibit racism
to one degree or another. It's not limited to just Canada.
Though it may be a very hard concept for you as a "brown" skin to
grasp, I, and most of the other white folks in Canada, are NOT
racist. We are just your scapegoats every time something goes wrong
in your life; and we're really exhausted by that ridiculous
concept. How convenient for you to have such an excuse for your own
incompetence? You tell us that you have two university degrees and
you are working for $9.00 per hour??!! Come on now ... I'm sorry,
but you must be a real idiot or are totally unmotivated. You've
likely created you own reality.
Most of your comments and observations about Canada are so
ridiculous that they don't even deserve a reply, and your
misunderstanding of some of my points is incredible; especially for
someone with two university degrees. If you're going to twist my
words, then why bother anymore? Sounds to me like you simply like
to be angry and miserable and if I've provided you with that outlet,
then all I can say is, "You are welcome".
Though I'd love to continue this battle of wits with you Sanjay,
it's obvious you came unarmed.
PS - To"faryl gray" ... Do you actually understand
what you read or did you just need to say something stupid? What I
said was that I won't go to any doctor if he/she is incompetent,
regardless of race or color !! That includes "whites" !!
Read my post again ... slower this time. Perhaps you were just
seeking approval in this forum from the whining majority.
To potential immigrants: Canada IS a great place to call
home; a nation not afraid of evolution. Don't let these people's
soured opinions sway you one way or the other. Not everyone is
going to succeed here ... unfortunately, that's just life. I have
definitely had my own ups and downs, yet I'm not complaining and I
would never leave. Do your own research on the various
nationalities' club web sites here in Canada; ask family and friends
... or e-mail someone in Canada and get them to help you. Also,
now that you have read of some of the issues immigrant professionals
have had here, make sure you question the Canadian representatives
in your respective countries more thoroughly. But please, don't
dismiss Canada based on the ravings of some disgruntled immigrants
or even born Canadians. For every one of these there are thousands
that have succeeded here beyond their wildest expectations. No,
Canada is not perfect, but with your help we can make it a better
place. A home to be proud of.
Jake Pender
jakepen @ hotmail.com
September 15, 2007
In response to Jake Pender,
No country is perfect, indeed, but canada is totally mediocre and
shouldn't pretend otherwise. Selling dreams to exploit people: that
is what canada is. Unlike many canadians who are more active members
of white supremacist groups you do not advocate closing the borders
to non whites...although many canadians are very sympathetic to this
but don't like to admit it. It is also not a popular view among the
white establishment because canada would collapse if immigration
stopped. Having said that, I appreciate your desire to invite people
if they are willing to struggle. I don't think white immigrants have
ever had to struggle in the same way as non whites though. Your
parents never paid a head tax to get in here. Your parents were
never interned during the second world war. Your parents were not
used as dynamite runners to be blown up in order to create the
"great" canadian railway. On the other hand, they did profit in
various ways from white privilege...something you no doubt can
simply not understand let alone accept.
1. Your letter speaks for itself; you are racist but since you are
also white canadian you won't admit it even to yourself. (or perhaps
you do, just not on the internet, who knows)
2. If you think that one shouldn't trust the government of canada
you are quite a group soldier to remain so vociferously patriotic.
lying to lure people over to a life that isn't better than the one
they're leaving in order to exploit them for economic purposes is
pretty slimy. if you tolerate that from your government then your
standard isn't much higher than those of "rag" nations. I guess that
means that canada is like a third world country. as for foreign
degrees not being as good as canadian ones, again, that comment
reveals your inate racism. but again, it comes out ambiguously since
you are (white) canadian. the recent Chinese rankings placed many
non-white universities above most of the canadian ones. as for
research and community groups, this is one of them. canada had been
trusted in the past but no longer is that the case. now the research
is in and it will never come from the white canadians who have been
exposed as cheats and liars.
3. since canadians don't cut any slack when they evaluate immigrants
why would immigrants cut you slack when evaluating your culture? you
almost beg for lenience...and yet you and your kind are not so
lenient when it comes to hiring or even just accepting people in a
community (nevermind as friends). canada has no culture: it is a
joke waystation. a giant airport waiting room. the entertainment for
those waiting to get out is watching tribalistic white clowns
pretend they have a unique culture and getting all excitable about
patriotism. "we are still building a nation"...no kidding. canada
functions at barely a first world level and only due to benefits
from white privilege, colonialism, and trade with the US and UK.
4. it's called a turban not a "rag". and as for the knives being
"supposedly" religious...why don't YOU do some research (but then I
doubt you'd care about the Sikh religion other than to obsess over
anything critical you can find about it). as for "custom" i think
you just proved exactly why you and the majority white establishment
of canada will never function as a society: you can't admit your own
immigration status and prefer to act like european culture is what
canadian culture always was and always should be.
5. if people are telling you the "white jobs" are all filled then
maybe that's because you are simply not good enough. i am still
waiting to hear such a report from anyone I know who is white.
quotas btw, where they do exist, require adequate qualifications,
not only being a member of a group. i am brown so please let me know
where these quotas exist as i will immediately apply. curiously
enough, despite your claim that you do not get jobs due to "quotas"
i am still looking to find decent employment, so let me know where
the quota for brown guys is. i might be wrong but i've never heard
of legally required affirmative action in canada, i only know there
is human rights law...good luck enforcing it though. as for
handouts...what exactly are you talking about..social assistance?
why would people who have been refused jobs feel bad about getting
welfare? especially when they came here based on totally different
promises? and health care...i don't understand...you mean immigrants
shouldn't get health care?...are you serious? maybe they shouldn't
pay taxes on their cleaning jobs either then.
6. my ancestors and their current society don't fly planes into
buildings even though I'm sure all non-white "ragheads" are the same
to you. however, I have had the shit kicked out of me here in canada
to the point where I had to go to the hospital to have an operation.
I had to pay a medical bill out of pocket for part of it too since
the "superior" OHIP only covered a portion of the total cost.
I grew up here. I remember being snubbed in various ways due to
racism. I remember occasionally being called racial slurs in the
school yard. I remember wanting to prove myself but wondering why I
should have to where I would simply be accepted and respected were I
white. I heard, and sometimes still hear, racist jokes. I like the
few white canadians who made an effort to be nice to me or who
treated me as an equal and in some cases even became my friends.
They are good people who really can make a difference. If you are
lucky you might be able to have a decent life regardless of the fact
that it is not as good as it might have been without racism, and you
might really like it in canada. Unfortunately it's not enough to
counter the severely decreased quality of life that is experienced
in canada, both socially and economically, for most who are not
white. I finished two university degrees from canada and got a
professional licence from Ontario. I am currently working for 9
dollars an hour doing telephone surveys. O canada? oh dear. I can
think of a lot of people I knew from canadian universities who ended
up with totally sad jobs or who went to the US (which apparently is
better organized for dealing with legal immigrants and actually has
a better job market). Foreign policy aside, the US is better.
If you emmigrate to canada and are not white you should expect to be
a second class citizen. That is ridiculous and totally contrary to
everything canada says it stands for but it is the practical outcome
of canada's somewhat racist white majority society. If you are a
white immigrant you will adjust and find opportunity eventually.
Part of it is that white canadians will be more inclined to like you
and befriend you and give you invitations to opportunities of
various kinds. If you are not a white immigrant you will be forced
down to the bottom of society with no economic power regardless of
your abilities or productivity. It is possible to have a decent life
here if you are not white but you will have to work twice as hard as
the whites for twice as long just to make a decent life and that is
assuming you are a perfect person and that the economy and job
market will be on an upswing when you are looking. Not too many
people would be happy with that. Think twice before coming here.
Don't believe the self-congratulating, promotional con artistry of
the white canadians.
This is indeed a fantastic site that vast majority of Immigrants
have been waiting for decades. Finally someone took the lead to be
vocal on the subject. Statistics Canada has just released its latest
statistics, the unemployment in Canada is at 4%, however,
Immigrants's unemployment rate is over 12%, 3 times of the
Country's. Findings also disclose that for those Immigrants that are
at work, they are mainly in retail sales, factories or other
labourers' jobs. Interesting? Not quite because this phenomenum has
been ongoing for decades. It's just that in the past history,
"visible" Immigrants are overly "obedient", therefore everybody
simply plays a blind eye.
Last week I went groceries shopping at Midtown Coop. I was 2nd
person waiting to be served. Then a guy (caucasian) came along,
standing very close to me, and then another caucasian woman joined
the queue. When it's my turn, the server looked at me and asked me
what I want. Without the chance to open my mouth, the guy quickly
jumped in. The story didnt stop here. After he finished, he told the
server that the caucasian woman was the next to be served. What a
funny scenerio. Well, since I'm in no rush in getting to heaven or
hell, (coupled with being trained to be always courteous and good
manner in public), what the heck if 5 minutes delay.
I'm citing this story just to tell everyone that job priority and
superiority as given to certain races of Canadians do not restrict
to job situations alone. In all walks of daily livelihood, it's not
difficult to see some people playing superiority over others. What
does it tell us? Are we all paying the same tax and contributing the
same efforts to help build this Country? Most important question is
why would this situation persist for so long and yet seems like
nothing is being dealt with. Instead, some fellows such as those
being posted in saneimmigration@Immigrantionwatchcanada.org blamed
Immigrants for bringing deceases and crimes to Canada, but without
mentioning Canada's own deceases like the mad cow, nile mosquitoes
etc are exporting to overseas. If Immigrationwatchcanada bothers to
take a look at the Country's crimes, over 80% are committed by local
born Canadian (and mostly caucasians).
Joe Froz
joephreez @ yahoo.com
September 15, 2007
Wow, your tirades about disgruntled immigrants basically sums up the
flaw in the Country's immigration system. Unless people like you
learns to accept the concept of Globalization then you are doomed!!
Immigrants chalks up a $ 975 processing fee multiply that by the
Governments quota of 250,000 a year & that is a lot of money. As far
as I know immigrants pays taxes as well so they are not burdens to
the society like you would accuse them
As far as I know being white, black, christian, muslim has nothing
to do with the Human Anatomy but I guess you are just being racist
by saying you do not want a non-white to treat your kids. I am white
but I have no qualms whatsover of being treated by people of
different races. I sure hope you don't get sick vacationing in some
foreign country coz chances are you won't be able to find a doctor
of your color or religion.
So Jake, you are in fact a racist in disguise, the kind that would
not hire people based on skills but color. You are the perfect
example why websites like this exist. You are the kind of person who
would smirk at people wearing Turbans, people heating at curries at
Microwaves, etc.
So what's worst than a racist? A racist in disguise.
Oh and by the way, my wife of 20 years is Asian, they would stand by
you through thick or thin & not divorce you at the hint of financial
trouble. I was born & raised here so quit your BS of sending
immigrants home, all of us our immigrants, only the native Indians
can claim this is their land.
Peace
faryl gray
farylgray23 @ yahoo.com
September 12, 2007
Wow,
What's the difference between a puppy and some disgruntled
immigrants? Well, you know that eventually the puppy will stop
whining.
Before any of you get a chip on your shoulders, (oops, too late), I
realize that this is your forum to sound off about your woes here in
Canada. Misery loves company and this is a place for you to weep
together and lick your collective wounds. But as a proud Canadian, I
have to take a stand against anyone bashing my country. You have
your rights, and I have mine.
I know some of you new immigrants have had a hard time of it in
Canada with getting settled, finding work, etc. But so have a lot of
born Canadians, especially those just finishing school; life gives
no guarantees to anyone. We're all in a similar boat here or
anywhere else. You must have left your home countries because
something over there just wasn't working for you, but all you can
now say is how terrible Canada is and how great your home country
really was. Did that university education that you received in your
home country not enlighten you to the facts or teach you how to do
research? Perhaps your foreign degrees aren't as great as you think
they are after all.
So, as highly educated professionals, which some of you claim to be,
why would you not research your move here to Canada better before
diving headlong into such a life altering venture? Most
nationalities have clubs and associations here independent of
government bodies where you could have received all manner of
unbiased information. Were you too lazy and complacent to do the
work? With that in mind then, do I really want to take my family to
such an immigrant, or even Canadian born, doctor that doesn't fully
research the facts and medical evidence when treating one of my
loved ones? No ... I SAID NO!!! Let him or her keep on driving that
cab. And I don't care if he/she is black, red, white or even green
with purple polka dots!! Inept is inept! Potential immigrants' motto
should be, "Research and decide wisely", ... not, "Close eyes, dive
and hope for the best". And please don't blame our country's
government for lying to you about the situation here. You can't
possibly tell me that highly educated people such as yourselves
actually believe everything and anything that ANY government tells
them ... any government at all. Someone please enlighten me ...
which country or jurisdiction in this entire world of ours can boast
of having an honest government ... ever? Any takers?
For all its faults, Canada is still one great country. I can't help
but take issue with the 'wise and surely superior' comment of one of
the posters here that Canada doesn't have a culture. Hmm,... doesn't
have a culture, "eh"? Neither did Spain, or Germany, or India, or
Japan when they were but infants as Canada is today. We are 140
years old ... a mere drop in the bucket of time in the evolution of
a country. So, give us at least the same chance to define our
identity that your much older home countries have had. We are still
building a nation. Or is there a double standard at work here? Is
there prejudice involved?
My opinion on discrimination here in Canada is also a bit different
than some. Let me first assure you that I do not stand for any kind
of discrimination based on race or nationality. But I also do not
tolerate reverse discrimination based on religion, sex, customs or
any other criteria. What I mean by this is that if I choose to see a
male doctor, that's my choice. If I choose to see a Christian
doctor, that's my choice. My country's national police uniform does
NOT include a rag on the head ... that's our custom!!! We do NOT
like kids or anyone toting knives to school or work because it is
supposedly part of their religion! ALL head wear must be taken off
in our Legions ... that is also our custom. As a white male I also
resent the fact that when I apply for certain jobs I am told that
all the "white" jobs are taken and any positions left are strictly
for visible minorities!! There are quotas to fill ... based on color
and race, not qualifications!! How's that for fair? Just look at how
much we have surrendered to immigrants already ... and you have the
gall to dump on our country??!?!!!
I know for a fact that a lot of new immigrants to Canada receive
handouts. From education and housing subsidies to food,
transportation and health care coverage. I wonder who pays for all
this? Must be the magical immigrant fairy!! Before some of you start
building mail bombs to send to me, take into account that I also
immigrated to this great country. But when we came here years and
years ago there were no handouts. My highly educated parents worked
in factories by night and picked tomatoes and cucumbers in dirty
farm fields by day and on weekends. They got ahead eventually ...
all on their own. This country was in fact built by strong, enduring
immigrants such as them; and I have never heard anything bad about
Canada from my parents' mouths and never heard them say that they
would rather be back in the "old country".
I realize that Canada isn't perfect; name one country that is
though. If you don't like it here, you are free to leave. I
personally wish that you would. I can think of at least a few
countries where that action alone could cost you your life. Like I
already said, I understand that this forum, as idiotic as it is, is
your place to sound off. Go for it ... you have that right. But if I
ever meet you face to face, I will vehemently defend my country, as
imperfect as it is. I will extoll all her virtues and, though I am
not blind to them, I will downplay all her faults; I may even yell
at you and cuss a bit. But I won't kill you, fly planes into your
buildings, threaten you with violence or destroy your home. If you
want that kind of attention then you will just have to go home.
So, in summation, ... whiners go home, or move to the USA and bomb
anyone that doesn't agree with you. Winners, ... get ready for the
ride of your life. It may not always be easy, but you've made the
RIGHT choice! Welcome!!
Jake Pender
jakepen @ hotmail.com
From Within Canada
September 11, 2007
Hi everyone,
I wanted to share my experiences here in Canada, I came as a Landed
Immigrant in Canada in 2004, before I moved here I was a Professor
at the a University in the Philippines for 8 years.
There reason I came are the following;
1. I would be able to practice my profession here in Canada and
apply what I have experienced and learned back home.
2. To have a quality time for my family.
3. Better quality of life which involes health care system.
4. Pursue Phd.
Now for being here for 3 years these are the following that I have
experienced here in Canada.
1. I wasnt able to practice my prefession freely right now Im under
a Canadian PEng, even though I passed the National Professional
Practice Exam, this exam is the only exam required by board of
engineers to be licensed in Canada for Canadian University Graduate,
even I have 12.5 years of experience and 3 years Canadian
experience, instead they require me to take another set of exams FE
Exams, this is US Fundamentals of engineering Exams. Im really
disappointed.
2. I dont have all the time for my family instead i worked lots of
overtime to meet the daily needs of my family.
3. I remember paying my Health Care every month, we dont have
pediatrician for my toddlers .
4. A university reject my application, even I have finished BS and
MS from my native country.
This is my final decision, when get my citizenship I will move away
from here and try USA.
Thanks
Engineer from outside of Canada.
pine alpa
boyblue9 @ lycos.com
September 10, 2007
I've seen this website and read everything written in here and I
should say that they somehow encompass the whole/real situation in
canada.
I fully understand all immigrants who are experiencing the same
situation. canada is just not the 'place of clean, tidy and
civilized society' they are 'advertising'. There's darkness lurking
in it's underbelly, which you would see once you start living here.
There's widespread homelessness, poverty(visible and hidden). Just
google "canada poverty" and you'll find tons of infos about it. Why?
because cost of living is just way too much for the average
resident. $cad 8/hr(last adjustment was 2001) is the minimum pay
while there was a study that it should be at least $cad13/hr to have
a decent life. Why then the Wall Street Journal described canada as
an honorary member of the third world?
Food is very expensive. Pork, beef, chicken, veggies & fruits are
crap. Even the 'high-street' shops and supermarkets are selling crap
quality of food. Every time when we go to shops, I would see
darkened smelly meat, fruits/veggies with molds and rotting. I don't
mind paying pricey items but please give us something of decent
quality. They are selling rubbish.
Jobs are awful/crap. There's not much going on here. I don't mean to
belittle folks who do this but if you are a professional in your
country with good job/life and are prepared to clean toilets and
other manual/menial jobs with minimum pay then canada is for you.
Job security is non-existent here. Employees have no protection. You
can get sacked that easy. I've met
immigrants/children-of-immigrants/native-born who are either
unemployed or underemployed.
Being too proud and superior to immigrants is in the psyche of
average canadians. They just can't take the fact that there are
other people/things/system that are better than them/their system,
while most of them have not gone to other places for example like
Europe. They are constantly bombarded with ads and lift-your-spirit
rhetorics that they are living in the 'best place on earth' blah
blah blah rubbish so that even though they are living a difficult
life they would still have the 'pride' that they are living in 'the
best place on earth'.
Everyone's after your money here. If you are a professional in your
country and been doing the job for years...the moment you get here,
you have to 're-tool and get to their high-standards' by going to
school and then get accredited(which of course means, what else---
money for them). Banks and mobile/cellular companies here are
ripoffs. They'd take your money in any way imaginable.
And to your countrymen who are here and telling you that canada is
very good, think again.. do your own research and listen to that
still voice inside you. They are just liars and trying to cover up
something. Don't fall to their 'good news' that there's very good
jobs here with good salary, benefits, and this and that. Remember
this... there's no such things as free lunch.
Why I can say all of these? Because I am experiencing it. When you
venture out here in canada, always make sure you have an escape
plan... and my plan? Well, I'll just go back to Europe where there's
opportunities, tolerance, infrastructure, system and most important
of all...future for my family.
--Emilio
Non scrivetemi
nonscrivetemi @ pboxmix.winstonsmith.info
September 05, 2007
I do agree with the majority of you guys on this forum, this website
is just a great deal, Thanks for the initiators…
My story is not that different from other people, I came to Canada
in 2002, I landed in the first time in Toronto (business city), I've
tried to look for a job, but it was hard even though I speak an
other highly demanded language (French). Then, I decided to find a
university to upgrade my studies as all new comers! It was
impossible to do that here in Ontario, No help in the first year…and
I couldn't accept any job to start and finance my studies…the
solution for me was to move to Québec, I speak French and
universities there are that much less expensive and the government
can finance the studies for me…so this is what I have done, I've
chosen to go with a masters degree in IS Management! I finished my
studies after two years and ended up with $20.000 loan, and I
started looking for a job in Montréal, no way!
It was time to start something, anything just to have that so called
Canadian experience, I started in a call centre with a well known
company, I've tried to grow with that company…no way, white
Canadians are that much preferred than me even if I hold a masters
degree and they hold high school diplomas……..incredible…I decided
again to move back to Toronto for the same reasons business city of
Canada and job market is bigger, I started in a big company but as
an entry level again, call centre agent, after a certain time of
experience in Toronto, I decided to move forward with my career…to
find something that fit my background and my degrees…no way!
I apply for Business Analyst, Compliance, IT controls…and things
like that, but hiring agencies they like my experience and my résumé
but only for customer service again…when I ask them that the
position I applied for was not a customer service position as I am
looking for something that goes with my degrees…they say, this is
what we have………call centres : new way of slavery….this is my
story…now what I am looking to do is leaaaaaaaaaaaaaave this
nightmare and go back home as a lot of my fellows have done before
me…
The same story my wife is experiencing, degrees in Finance from
Québec and no body is appreciating that….and she agrees with me that
we have to leave before the end of next year.
Mohamed Y
ymohamed2005 @ gmail.com
September 05, 2007
A very professional web site, congratulations.
However, I do not agree with the core idea and still think Canada is
a good destination though some major modifications in the
immigration process may be needed.
I would like to underline a few facts that struck me in this forum:
1 It can be clearly deducted from the postings that so-called
"skilled-workers" actually end up with being workers there. That
Canadian Experience nonsense is a real headache and should be
seriously addressed by the Canadian authorities. However, do we not
all know right from the start that our diplomas are good for nothing
in Canada? I do not understand to be shocked when it rains if you
have already been told it would rain.
2 Some of the Canadian citizen posters here, who complain about
still being advised to go to language courses though they were
living in Canada for 10 years, do seem to need English classes.
Perhaps we should focus more on adaptation to Canada than having
talks in our native languages within our self-destructive ethnic
communities.
3 When moving to any developed country as a family for good, it is
ridiculous to expect to start a bright life with only CAD 20.000
cash in our pockets at the airport. That figure is very misleading
and should be multiplied at least by 20. If we are successful people
in our home lands we should at least possess one property to sell
before immigrating, why do we not secure ourselves with some capital
instead of that pocket money? The immigration office can be blamed
for this misleading amount but we are not young children to be
cheated. There is no country in which we can afford a mortgage + all
monthly expenses for 4 by cab driving, only because we are
university graduates.
The average income level and the quality of life are definitely
higher in Switzerland than Canada as some posters point out, but if
anyone knows that the Swiss are rolling-over red carpets at the
Zurich airport for immigrants with CHF 20.000, I would love to hear
about that.
4 As for the humanitarian issues such as police brutality...
Supposing that a very few of ours source countries are Sweden or
Denmark, especially we should be very knowledgeable about the
methodology of the police in this planet. I will not go into the
details but to roughly exemplify, none of us would prefer to be
discussing with (!) the Turkish, Russian, Serbian, Indonesian,
Argentine, Chinese or Moroccan police instead of the Canadian one.
Neo-Nazi morons are causing security problems? I would suggest the
apartment you would live in east Germany be very close to the fire
department, if your colour is not okay.
5 Safety issues: What is the percentage of lives lost during the
traffic accidents in Iran, Egypt, India and Canada? Would you say
there are more street gangs in Canada than are in Ukraine? Would you
see pick pockets in Canada more often than you would in Romania? Is
homelessness a minor issue in Latin America when compared to Canada?
6 Taxation and health care. I am sure you would not pay heavy
municipal taxes in Karachi and those are the city services you will
get, if any. In Istanbul, you pay no school taxes and this is
wonderful when you have no kids. Once you have a single kid, the
cheapest kindergarten costs you CAD 8.000/year as it is considered a
luxury here - that is what a lucky cabdriver should expect to make
yearly. When you have health problems in Zimbabwe where the
government is busy with dealing with inflation, medications you will
need will be unavailable, sorry.
7 Posting dated January 09, 2007 is a solid proof that Canadians can
also be rednecks. That is the worst representation of Canada here;
it harms Canada more than the sum of all the immigrants' postings
against Canada. "Love or leave" style of approaches do not require
very lengthy educational backgrounds, such guys should be avoided
everywhere at all times no matter what nationality they are, as they
tend to be dangerous.
Simon Garth
Istanbul, Turkey
lvnempas @ icqmail.com
September 02, 2007
My Canadian Experience
I was a very poor child but ambitious living in South of Brazil. So,
I started to think about to move to Canada when I was in the
elementary school. I used to read everything about Canada and follow
any person from Canada that passed in my town. The first thing that
I discovered about Canada that they needed Pharmacist and I went to
a Federal University in another state to study Pharmacy. I worked in
Bars, Restaurants and as janitorial to study. When I received my
Pharmacy degree, I applied to immigrate to Canada. The immigration
officer sent me a letter saying that “if I had a PhD, I would be
accepting as land immigrant”. I was very sad and I spoke about it
with a Biochemistry Professor. She said to me, PhD is not a problem,
go to Federal University of Parana and register in the graduate
program there and you will get a PhD in Biochemistry. I followed her
adviser and after 5 years I ended up my PhD with a Canadian advisor
that still working there. Then, I said to him, I will move to Canada
and he answered me, forget Canada, I will send you to work in the
USA. I went to work in the Kentucky University but Canada was my
dream. I could not go along in Kentucky and even later at Wisconsin
University. I came back to Brazil and I apply again to Canadian
immigration. Soon I received the answer and my papers as land
immigrant.
I moved to Toronto in 1996 so happy and confident that I could make
a difference and be a good Canadian Citizen. I got a volunteer job
at York University as researcher visiting with a famous scientist in
my field. However, he used to say to me if you want to stay here you
must return to school, improve your English and skills. I apply to a
program in Science but they did not accept me in some universities.
So, I decided to apply as mature student at Seneca College and after
3 years I had a Diploma in Chemical Technology, then one more year a
Diploma in Pharmaceutical Technology. During those years, I was
working sometimes in the civil construction as general labor or
janitorial service.
Now, I had a good resumé, a pharmacy degree and a PhD in
Biochemistry from Brazil, a diploma in chemical technology and
another one in pharmaceutical technology from Seneca College and a
big desire to work but even so I could not land a dream job. So,
after one year, I was desperate, and then I decided to study another
program at TIPT in Research and Development of Drugs. It was one
year program learning tablet technology. I ended up the program and
no jobs.
I was in depression since I was living in house connection, food
bank and sometimes doing janitorial jobs. However, a miracle
happened – 2nd June 2005, I was leaving a supermarket and I saw the
police man # 5406 from 42 division in Scarborough and his fellow
vicious beating a black man that was handcuffed with the face in the
asphalt. I shouted to them to stop and they come over me yelling and
asking for my citizenship, when I said that I was Canadian and I
showed my ID, he said that I was a “Fuck Canadian” big mouth, and so
many bad words and treats and charged me with police interference.
I went twice in the court. There in the court is another story. In
one side immigrants with problems and the other side the white
Canadian with cynic faces. They did not present charged against me
and I needed to return there a third time. I did not wait for that,
I left Canada for good. I left to them all my student loans, my
bills, all my Canadian problems. As the cop said “Canada does not
need people like me”. So, they can stay with my bills.
I am in Brazil already for 2 years. I am a University Professor and
I am doing well. Canada now is only my nightmares. I want to forget
my terrible experience. I wrote so far 4 scientific papers in
pharmaceutical technology and 3 were accepted. I have 2 mores that I
am writing. I want to be happy here. No more illusions.
I loved your site. You can publish my story but please edit what I
wrote. I know that there are a lot mistakes.
Antonio Teixeira
azteixei @ yahoo.com
September 01, 2007
Hello, I am a 14 year old teenager writing to
hopefully remind you of Canada's younger population. I read some of
of the people's comments on the site, they were pretty sad. However
bad Canada may seem to you though, I think Canada is still a great
country for your sons and daughters. I agree with you guys on
canada's point system for new immigrants to be severely flawed and
ineffective (especially on the fact that the ten points for
education are completely useless). Despite of this I ask you to
please remember that the education in North America in general is
considered the best in the world (university of Toronto is in the
top 30 university's in the world!). My family came from brazil and
my parents are big fans of this site, however despite of their
frustration with Canada's government they would never think of
taking my future away from me by moving back to a country whose
university's are only respected nationally.
I urge all immigrant families to please take everything the country
has to offer into consideration before making the decision to move
back. I plan on attending university (probably in Canada maybe in
the .U.S.) in order to become a psychiatrist. With a university
degree from Canada your children will be respected professionals in
any other country in the world. I hope you guys take my opinion into
consideration despite my young age, thank you for reading.
(P.S, My parents are both certified university graduates from Brazil
who are struggling to find jobs too so i understand how you guys
feel.)
Gabriel Calado
kendomaster12 @ hotmail.com
September 01, 2007
Hi I really admire this site, Hooray for you
guys!!! I am a Filipino Physical Therapist came to Canada as a
student in 2000, like many thousands and thousands foreign trained
healthcare professionals like me,my education is not equal or I have
to go back to school for 2 years to upgrade my schooling, I did one
semester in the University after that my budget ran low so I have to
stop school, I became an Immigrant in 2002. then I was in Saskatoon,
Saskatchewan, I tried to look for a job as a Physical Therapist
Assistant I remember applying to18 different hospitals and clinics,
to no avail, so I decided to leave Saskatchewan and head to Toronto,
in Toronto I worked my ass off as an assistant for 4 years, I could
not send money back home because my income is not enough and I was
working to meet ends. It was horrible,I couldnt even go back home
and visit my family because I dont have any money. I suffered
stress,depression. I said to myself that my dreams will not come
true here. I decided to come to The US where my education is equal
and after passing the licensure I got a job so fast everyday I get
calls and email from different companies offering me a deal that you
will never say no. I have a better life here in the States now, What
I want to say to the Canada is you have to change the whole system.
You and your broken promises hurted a lot of us, our families and
our morals. The Government should target and change All of the
Credentialling agencies.which is trying to protect its system. its
discriminating! To hell with you Canada.
L. Malloy
lawmalloy @ yahoo.com
August 21, 2007
Hi, and may i say that your page open my eyes, because i did have a
"pink and rossie picture" of canada and always want it to move there
because my country Venezuela its very very unsecure, in every corner
you
see homeless people, kids sniffing glue, and much more so....i want
to
move out from venezuela im married and i have a baby of 1 year, both
my
wife and me are Engineers, what do you think its the best to choice
to
live (and i know that the old world its in a bad situation) a place
secure, and with good opportunities.
Regards from Venezuela, Hugo Pérez.
Hugo Pérez
perezmorales @ cantv.net
August 20, 2007
Hi
my family moved here in the early 2000s , i have reviewed your
website and i agree with alot of things discussed.
we moved originally from the UAE , and i think its been a big
mistake ever since we did.
i was unable to transfer my credits from my previous university,
which was American recognized. Anyhow, i studied another field in a
canadian university and after graduating still did not manage to
find a proper job.
i ended up working as a sales man even with my canadian education.
After a couple of months i decided to quit my job and start a
business , i was doing well until someone got hurt misusing one of
my products and put a lawsuit on me. The so called "legal aid" as it
turned out didnt offer any help at all. I had to hire a lawyer (
400$/hr) .
The case has been dragged on forever , my business went down the
drain thanks to the lawyers costs and im left looking for another
job.
I know i spent too much time in Canada on false hopes and dreams ,
lots of sacrifices have been made (ALOT more than what is listed
above) just to get the passport. And even after living here for 7
years i dont feel like its my home ,all it takes is one
lawsuit/crime to loose your house, cars , land and everything.
In a few months i have decided to leave back to the UAE for good , i
know i will have a much better future there than canada can ever
provide for me. i advice everyone to look into these type of
countries for work eg, kuwait , bahrain , uae , oman , uk , and some
western european countries
Canada is a great place if you have a large multinational company or
are on vacation , but to actually live here and grow its hard.
Anyways , i think its a great website you have put together , i will
forward it to everyone i know ,
Thanks
Mr Shah , mississauga , ON
amco2006 @ gmail.com
August 20, 2007
I am a resident of Canada since 2005.
I was only able to get a telemarketing job where I sell advertising
space over the phone. I am unhappily employed for the last two
years.
I have an MBA from California State University and I have many years
of experience as an Executive with Coca-Cola International.
I have tried to get an entry level sales position in my field for
the last two years.
I have applied to more than 300 positions advertised in Workopolis
and other job search sites. Unfortunately I did not receive any
response for an interview.
My wife works as a cook to help me with the bills. My daughter is
happy in Toronto. We did not face any prejudice. We have many
Canadian friends as well Turkish friends.
I informed many Turkish friends of mine who were planning to come to
Canada as a skilled immigrant about the realities of the country.
Canada is culturally nice to immigrants but a very difficult place
to get a job in your field.
Last week a rich friend of mine moved to Canada as an immigrant. He
bought his house in Oakville yesterday. He brought few million
dollars from Turkey. I dont think he will have any problem. If you
are rich, you may enjoy Canada.
I will keep selling advertising space as a telemarketer for another
6 months. My wife will continue to work as a cook. We will try to
enjoy our last 6 months in Canada. The day we receive our
citizenships and our passports I will leave Canada with my family
and go back to my international Executive position.
In short : Canadian Government is in the business of selling
Citizenship. If you want to pay the price, dont hesitate....
If my skills and experience in my field were is not needed in Canada
I wished I knew that before I came here.
Good luck to other immigrants.
Aydin Halac
aydinhalac @ yahoo.com
August 20, 2007
Do you know how many undergrads from US or Canadian universities end
up in Master's level or PhD level in the same schools they were
graduated from. Is it due to they getting jobs soon after completing
undergrad, may be true in some fields but not in many
science/arts/even some engineering fields. Many dont get jobs, even
after applying for graduate studies many were not admitted into
graduate program. You may also notice many graduate students were
admitted into these universities from countries like India, other
Asian countries esp. those you were pointing as third world
countries with poor standards.
How can few undergrads from these countries are qualifying to be
admitted as grad students into almost all Canadian universities (
tell me one Canadian university which doesn't admit graduates from
these asian countries ), they also do well in their studies in
graduate programs. This is a valid proof that asian university
graduates do have educational qualifications comparable to
undergrads from canadian universities. Then why the discrimination
in job market. Truth is there are no jobs in many fields to
accommodate immigrants at the expense of born canadians graduate
from Canadian universities. Few years ago it was hard to get
admission into Phd programs or post-doctoral programs from countries
like India but recently trend reversed, I am surprised to see
graduates from average universities in India are coming as post-docs
and into PhD programs, so what you say has no relevance.
Suresh
suresh venkat
sures_venkat @ yahoo.com
August 17, 2007
This is in response to the questions posted by
Christopher Reynolds.
Christopher, your questions indicate that you are
totally unaware of the immigration system in general.
It is time for you to take the "Immigration 101" first
before you post any comments here.
This is because you speak about some of the
non-existant immigration systems such as the german,
norwegian, dutch, danish, swiss immigration systems.
These countries do not invite (or advertise) people to
their countries based on the point based immigration
system like what Canada has. The only way to immigrate
to these countries is by marriage to the citizen (or
by birth/ refugee sponsored by UN). So, please do not
talk about these systems and get confused (and confuse
others).
As far as american immigration system is concerned:
who told you that they do not recognize Ph.D./MS from
third world? In fact, they do. (another point to learn
for you)
Now let us talk about the superiority/inferiority of
the degrees. Even if it is accepted that the degrees
from non-western countries are inferior, why do cdn
education institutes give the "equivalency"
certificate to the people graduated from these so
called inferior universities? It is quite evident that
it is a money making business. Because the part of the
cdn immigration system process is getting this
educational equivalency. After getting your degree
evaluated, if someone like you says that you are
disqualified because of your degree, what does it tell
you? Now I would like to hear the answer from you.
S. S.
sk20us @ yahoo.com
August 16, 2007
The glaring inaccuracies in your posting
Christopher Reynolds tells me that you clearly do NOT know that
facts about migrant professionals and I suspect you care even less.
Your agenda seems to be to defend the status quo in your country by
drawing parallels between the immigration practices of Canada and
other developed countries. Parallels that do not exist. Having had
my credentials recognised in the US, having worked in the US and
having TRIED to work in Canada. I am here to tell you that your
assertions are false.
I have neither the time, energy nor interest in debunking your
falsehoods. Safe to say, based on your confabulated defense, I
believe that nothing said here will change Canada's policy towards
its professional immigrants. The only thing that will cause it to
change is "ground logic". When Canada is facing social and economic
dilemmas which make it impossible for the status quo to continue;
when there is no other recourse BUT to change, then and only then,
it will happen. Before then Canada, will continue to seek its own
interests at the expense of migrants naive enough to believe in its
advertising script. Caveat Emptor (Let the buyer beware) and Canada
is certainly selling itself in the international marketplace as a
"destination of choice" for professional migrants.
For those who wish to hear: Canada is a stepping stone, one link in
the migration chain, it is not now and may never be a final
destination for ambitious professionals who wish to use their skills
and education to the fullest and be rewarded for it.
kris taal
kristaal6340 @ yahoo.com
August 15, 2007
hi, i find many things posted on your site very true, i landed in
Canada in 2003, and stayed there for 3 weeks till i got my health
card
and prc and social number, then i left back to my country, and after
that i went again before the ending of the 3 years period in the 5
years, and i went again, i searched for a job and did everything but
it was just impossible to settle, i also got married after i landed
and didnt apply for my wife to become landed immigrant, now i feel
that becoming a canadian resident can help me live better in this
world and acheive more regarding my career, but the problem is that
im
illegable and didnt fully live 3 years over there in the past 4
years,
but i wish if i can get a canadian citizenship, in the same time i
hate chaeting, but what shall i do? doesnt me becoming a canadian
citizen and then raise the flag of canada worldwide is a good thing?
any advices from your side, im really desperate.
thanks
im now outside canada by the way
s. weilem
sweilem @ stylebid.com
August 14, 2007
I find a lot of things about your website disturbing and not
necessarily supported by facts.
Q: Why are these so called Engineers and PhD’s from Pakistan,
Africa, and South East Asia not recognized, while degrees from
Japan, England, some Chinese schools, and most of Western Europe are
recognized?
Q: I notice your website does not try to make any parallels to the
British immigration system, the Dutch immigration system, the German
immigration system, the Swiss immigration system, the Denmark
immigration system, the Norwegian immigration system, the Icelandic
immigration system, the American immigration system, the Japanese
immigration system. Why do none of these countries recognize foreign
PhD’s and many other degrees from India, Pakistan, the Philippines,
Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam, Sub Saharan African Nations? Is it a
plot by the Western world to lure PhD’s into their countries to work
as cab drivers? Or does it have more to do with the fact that these
countries do not produce the same quality of graduates as Western
Schools?
Q: Why do the elites of India, Pakistan, Iran, Malaysia, Thailand,
The Philippines etc etc, send their youth to get educated in foreign
schools as opposed to domestic schools?
Q: Why are PhD’s and Engineers who are Educated in Western Schools
held in higher esteem in India and Pakistan and a whole slew of
other third world countries?
Q: How do Third World Universities do in the rankings of independent
surveys on degree quality, curriculum quality, and non biased
admission quality? (Most of the time they are not even ranked in the
top 200 schools globally in their respective fields)
All of these questions point to the same logical answer… the quality
of education and admissions in Western Schools far surpasses the
quality of education and admissions in Third World Schools. I would
not want an unqualified surgeon to work on my heart and I would not
want an unqualified engineer to design a bridge that my children
would commute to school over.
The fact is that these immigrants may be qualified to practice in
their home nations, but they do not qualify to practice in our
nation due to rigid standards that are in place to protect the
public, not some global plot to lure low priced labour into our
country.
Regards, Christopher Reynolds
creynolds @ energysavings.com
August 13, 2007
Yes, same here!
I want to manifest my deepest respect and admiration for creating
this web
page. Excellent, I am sure that you are just trying to help other
people.
This is my experience;
When I first move to canada I met a telecommunication engineer also
a master
in economy, both of them working in a café, both with legal status,
one even
had the canadian citizenship already and both with fluent english.
After
three days I got a job in a restaurant washing dishes obviously,
thanks to
my wife friend help (it is important to say that he got the highest
average
on his generation in a respected university back home, his major was
business administration, specialized on marketing), he was working
as a
cook.
I spent 5 years in canada and I am more convinced that canada it is
just
stealing from the immigrants, you will be a lot better in you
country no
matter if is in war!... Please study your possibilities, I am not in
canada
any more and I can see now how bad it is!... It is obvious that they
don't
need professionals of any kind. They need truck drivers, dish
washers,
cooks, mechanics, but they don't need professionals, I met so many
professionals doing odd jobs, just hoping a better life for their
kids
(sacrificing your life with a crappy job is not a good example for
your
kids, neither a good life for them, regaining your respect will be a
lot
better for everybody).
In canada they don't even have enough industry, they need employees
only for
their "service" based economy. The point system is a joke!...
I have been out of canada for 3 months now. I don't miss the
weather, the
taxes, the traffic, the expensive crappy depressing life of canada!...
I
just bought a house!! My first house!.. Thank GOD!...
Rene GC
zhakallo @ hotmail.com
Tucson, AZ
August 01, 2007
Hi,
Some Canadian wrote in this forum some questions than I would like
to answer for all of you.
How welcoming would you be to us if we immigrated to your country??
In my country you will be very welcome as a foreigner and be treated
as a human being, we love foreigners.
Would we be treated as equals??
of course, you will be as one of us and will take you as part of our
community and family.
Would we be given high paying jobs??
Yes, it’s amazing but is true; Unbelievable...You will receive
highest pay than us.
And this country is MEXICO, I love my country with all the problems
we have.
I think there is no better place to live; some countries will have
many things to offer than others do not.
All the best
Dulcinea Rodriguez
dulcinia @ hotmail.com
July 27, 2007
Bonjour,
Je m'appelle Emilio et j'habite au Canada il faut cinq ans deja.
J'ai lis votre message sur le site web notcanada.com et je voudrais
vous dire que, si bien pas tout les immigrants apprendre l'anglais
rapidement au moins il essaye de le faire et, en plus, il faut
apprendre le francais aussi parce que, selon la loi, le Canada est
un pays bilangue, n'est pas? J'aimerez savoir si vous, comme
Canadien parlez le francais? Nous, les immigrants au Quebec, sommes
obliges a apprendre les deux langues officieles, mais vous? je suis
presque certain que vous parlez seulement l'anglais. C'est pour ca
que je vais continuer mon email en anglais pour vous me comprendre,
pour le contraire, si vous parlez francais je m'excuse de ne pas
continuer mon text en cette langue.
What if some of the people don't speak/write properly; You, having a
formation as ESL, MUST speak flawless English, I've met hundreds of
American, British, English-speaking Canadian and Australian
nationals whose English language skills are way under mine's. But me
as an Engineer I must be flawless in physics and math, which, by the
way, are universal languages. The derivate of x^2 will be 2x here
and anywhere else. But I understand, learning the rules of a
language, as English, must be something really complicated that
calls for a Master's Degree on it.
My first language is Spanish and I also speak Portuguese in a nearly
native way (just like English and French). I totally disagree with
you on this phrase you wrote: " they are lacking communication
skills which would land them a job". It's misleading and obtuse to
even consider language as the main barrier while looking for a job,
it's a totally false presumption, because most of the people who
come here MUST speak either English or French, if not, they are
simply rejected, you must be thinking about refugees, but not even
all refugees are as ignorant as you may think.
Answering your questions:
"What would I have to do if I immigrated to your country? "
You will have to run back to Canada, if you don't speak Spanish
already, I seriously doubt that you will learn it, let aside that
you won't be able to have the level of Spanish language equivalent
to the level of English you describe in your post —needed here only
for the immigrants, of course—. And you are lucky most LatAm
countries only have one official language, imagine if it would be
two like in Canada. Or even worse, if you don't speak French and you
came to Quebec, would you learn it?
It took me three years of my life to re-study Engineering in a
Canadian university (where, by the way, I got Honorific Mention, and
if you want I can scan my diploma and send it to you) just to
satisfy your pre-established obsolete labor market rules and, even
though, I receive NO calls to my job applications. Would you do that
if you immigrated to any other country? Would you find it fair?
Would you even find it useful?
"Learn the culture"
What are you talking about? What culture? I could even consider the
French-speaking side as having a culture and get adapted to it, but
in the English-speaking side? Isn't "your culture" the "American
culture"? I have met a huge bunch of Canadians who don't even know
their History, for not to mention the capital cities of the
Provinces of this country. That pseudo-phrase you wrote it's simply
full of crap.
Once again, if you immigrated to my country, you wouldn't adapt to
OUR CULTURE. Culture that, by the way, it's not hockey, Tim Horton's
and/or McDonalds.
I came here because, like many others, I believed in the "Canadian"
honesty (that you are all so proud aboard). Your government lies to
you and to everybody, but I had to come here and realize it by
myself, or what? do you think that there are official reports on
this outside Canada, NotCanada is one of the few web pages I have
seen about this kind of topic.
I find very hypocritical from your side to come and speak about
languages when MOST of your fellow Canadians don't even speak French
and can freely come to Quebec and get a job over a fully qualified
immigrant, just for being "pure white Canadian".
I just want to clarify that this email has nothing against to your
person, the English-speaking Canada, or white people, but to your
ignorance on the real situation of many immigrants in YOUR country.
I am a man of Accounting profession. I came in Toronto, Canada from
Bangladesh as immigrant. In Bangladesh, I was fully settled in my
profession after rendering 16 years services and side by side
obtaining professional degrees.
Like many professionals, I also wanted to avail better quality life
and better future for my son & family and hopefully a better
economic standard of living for ourselves after looking in the
internet many many dream stories & qualities of Canada from long
distance being published by Canada Government bodies. Immigration
firms are also responsible for doing business with cream & meritious
people of a country like us throwing them into a roaring
sea.Infact,my immigration to Canada prompted after receiving a reply
from accountemps.com of Canada who assured me that they'll be able
to provide me an accounting job in Canada after seeing my Resume.
But after coming Toronto, Canada, I contacted with the person who
assured me and he ( Michael French) told me to send my Resume again.
After sending my Resume, I found neither any response of my repeated
phone calls nor any reply of my e-mails. I am now totally fed-up. We
have done Accounting job under IAS (International Accounting
Standard) and Canada also follows IAS. So where is the problem to
provide us job even in entry level?
Actually Canada is bringing these learned people for having a
meritious second generation using rudely( as per my practical
experience) the first generation(like me) as educated labourers
doing odd-job for which Canada is being beneficiated manifoldly. You
please tell me is this felt into any humanity? Although Canada is
claiming that they are number one civilized country. They (
specially CIC Ministry) should have been mentioned as well as
alerted in their internet & publications that the new immigrants may
face some obstacles and difficulties in settling in Canada
mentioning the major areas of difficulties/barriers. But Canada
government never did this; rather they advertised for attracting the
foreign people like us to fill-up their deficiencies. Would you
please place this inhumanity situation to International Human Right
Commission or any other body who are fighting for human right and to
eliminate human sufferings?
After coming Canada, I have been compelled to do odd-job and doing
this odd-job, which was very hard, I am now confined in my house
damaging my two great toes. I am foreseeing my future as deep-dark.
If I tell all my miseries in this mail, that will be a long story.
I want my life of Bangladesh to be returned to me.
Can anybody help me?
Thanks n best regards,
Rakib, Toronto, Canada
Rakibul Islam
asmb1052 @ yahoo.com
July 16, 2007
Hi Guys,
Arnaud's mail really touched a chord.
TO ALL THOSE REDNECKS WHO SAY "LEARN ENGLISH FIRST",
Try writing a mail like this one..And I will give up drinking
'Molson's beer all my life.(Hahaha).
4 years completed successfully in the US and can't tell you how
happy I am. At times I feel like a Tennis Grand Slam event winner,
craving to fall to the earth and kiss the soil for the Freedom it
has given me.
I called TD Canada Trust Telephone banking the other day and
surprised to see that the call went to India. Well, don't they bring
immigrants from there and make them do all that in Canada.? Isn't
Canada a serviced based Economy..? with Call centres in every corner
next to Timmy's.? When did this change..? Have immigrants really
stopped coming to this Country of Milk and Honey...?
My memory of Canada is fading and that's Sanity regained....
A friend of mine visited me from Toronto. He shook my hands so many
times for my decision to move. He, with so much pain noted that many
of our friends are still in misery. Well. move or get rammed from
behind.. Choice is yours.
Paul Raj
paulrajcanada @ yahoo.com
July 16, 2007
My name is Wes Brookes and I married a chinese national march 2005.
Under the human rights act, discrimination is not to occur due to
marital status and yet the immigration office refused to review my
wife's visitor's visa because we are " married". Her permanent visa
was refused because it is not a true marriage based on myopic
opinions and not facts. Through the immigration process the offices
of immigration have refused to follow their own policies and
procedures in processing our application and during her interview.
She was cited as not speaking "good enough" english and she did not
know enough about my marriage to my two son's mother ( actually it
was the officer who does not understand about common-law marriage).
My two sons have been forced to live without their step-mother for
over two years and when the appeal process is complete it will be in
excess of 3 years. A flawed immigration system has caused my
children, my wife and I extreme financial and emotional hardships.
Convicted felon's families suffer less and have more rights then
innocent people. In 1914 it was illegal to marry a chinese woman.
Perhaps now it is legal...BUT... you can't live with her. I have
contacted my local MP's office, the Prime Minister's office, the
Minister of Immigration's office and the canadian senate. I have
received polite and not so polite brush off's but no support to
rectify this gross abuse of power and blatant discrimination and
lies by the immigration offices
May the sun warm your face and the wind be to your back.
Ken Brookes
kwbrookes @ hotmail.com
July 12, 2007
I was quite happy to learn that a website like yours exists. Beside
giving me an opportunity to vent about my own disappointment with
the Canadian immigration system, I hope my story will make the
readers think twice, and double check alternative options before
they start dreaming about moving to Canada - and thinking that
reality will match their dreams once they arrive.
I have a PhD from a top-tier U.S. university, and in my case
transferability of diplomas was not the issue. However the process
to obtain the status of permanent resident happens to be quite
different from what my current employer (a Canadian university) told
me when I applied for the job more than two years ago.
First, if it takes you less than 30 months to get permanent
residence status, you are quite lucky (...or you have a friend
working for Canada Immigration!) I had been told that the process
would take "four to six months", because handled by at the
provincial level, not the federal one. More than two years after I
started working in Canada, I still don't have it, and don't plan to
have it any time soon... and this despite the fact that I am one of
those whose skills are supposed to be "highly valued" in Canada, due
to a shortage of Canadian workers in my field.
A few facts you have to remember as you consider moving to Canada:
- Canada Immigration does not see you as a human being. They see you
as a potential commodity of choice. You will be "objectified" during
the entire process. At the physical exam, you will be treated like a
horse at the Sunday market fair. As an example, I certainly did not
know that having a female doctor ask me to drop my pants to manually
check my testicles was going to be part of the application process;
I thought I was being valued because of my diploma (and given the
shortage of doctors, don't expect that you will always be able to
choose a same-sex doctor to do that job... better swallow your
modesty). In addition, any, I repeat ANY type of disease that might
be even slightly potentially chronic will result in your being
filtered out. Some merciful country...
- If you lived in more than one country in your life, better gather
your paperwork now. And if you have previously lived for more than
six months in a country where obtaining a copy of your criminal
record is not something easy (i.e., a bureaucratic country like some
- many! - in Europe), do not expect things to move quickly.
- "No problem" are you thinking as you read this, "I only lived in
the U.S., a very efficient country, I'll get a copy of my criminal
record w/o any problem." Well, think twice: I lived in the U.S.
before coming to Canada, and if the FBI did find a copy of my
(empty) criminal record, they sent it to... an Iranian citizen. So
now I have someone in Iran with my SS#, address, fingerprints of all
my fingers, date of birth, signature, etc. In Iran, or on the
Internet forever. And of course I do not have any recourse against
the FBI, as I do not live in the U.S.
- I could go on and on, but will stop here and will simply leave the
readers with the following food for thought: do you think that the
current rules regulating Canada Immigration will stay the same, as
the U.S. is planning to adopt a similar, point-based system for
their own immigration policy? It is likely that if you arrive in
Canada, by the time you apply for permanent residence (and you
cannot do so less than six months after arriving in this "country of
opportunities"), the rules will have changed. Remember: once in
Canada, you are just an application number. What you will have
sacrificed to arrive here is of no significance to them.
Beside the immigration issues, also remember that the central
provinces of Canada are, in terms of culture and tolerance, even
worse than Alabama or Tennessee.
Have a good day,
Arnaud G.
arnaud127 @ hotmail.com
July 05, 2007
Hi,
I would like to give out my story about Quebec. I am leaving Canada
forever. I have worked for 10 yrs in the US for a Time Warner firm
and my
wife's a doctor.
The immigration authorities have a chip on their shoulders and have
an ego
bigger than the andys even though the fucking economy is in a mess.
They
treated me like dirt and were proud of the fact that they tricked us
into
coming here.
They have no shame what so ever in being racists.
I would like to place and ad in the Indian national newspaper
recommending
your website to future canadian aspirants and also to embarrass the
consulate
general in India.
Can I have a word with you on the phone? What's a number I can reach
you on?
I am planning to get in touch with the Indian consulate in Canada as
well
to keep it all kosher and legal.
Vishal Nanda
vish_n @ hotmail.com
July 01, 2007
What most Canadians simply can not understand is that the Canadian
government invites thousands of highly skilled immigrants to Canada
under the false assumption that we and our skills will be used. We
did not come to Canada fleeing from war, disease, hunger or
political instability. We, professional immigrants, were told by the
Canadian government that we would be able to get professional jobs
in this country. We were deceived, lied and fooled in a very bad
way. Canadians have all the right to chose the immigrants they want,
and they have all the right to protect their country from
foreigners, but they do not have the right to lie to people. In
other words, if Canada needs factory workers and cleaning staff they
should say so SINCE THE VERY BEGINING. They should HONESTLY say that
there are no professional jobs for new immigrants, no matter how
well qualified. Does that word honesty- rings a bell? How can
Canadians ask for honesty if they routinely act in such a dishonest
way?
They tell us to earn our way up. But what have we being doing most
of our lives? So then our skills and knowledge are worthless? Are
they good to immigrate but not to get a half decent job? Is math or
computer science different in other countries? What about people
(like me) who studied a masters or even a PhD in Canada and gets
treatment worse than a Canadian high school drop out? Yeah, even
with a Canadian masters, 7 years of international work experience
and 3 languages I had to take orders from Canadian high school drop
outs at a minnimum wage job during my last months in the country. So
Canadian universities are worthless or are we, just for being
immigrants? And we were willing to work for the benefit of Canada
and pay all those hefty taxes…! Canada is a great country, but only
for Canadians and immigrants willing to work in menial jobs for
minimum wage for the rest of their lives, not a good country for
SERIOUS people looking for SERIOUS opportunities. WHAT A WASTE OF
POTENTIAL!
Most skilled immigrants are hard working and very professional
people who do not expect things for free or a land of milk and
honey. But there is a huge difference between having a hard time
getting ahead in a new country (most of us expected that, we are not
naive) and suffer a systemic discrimination that makes nearly
impossible to get forward. It is also impossible to make Canadians
understand this, they are simply very stupid. Even their top
government officials recognize that professional immigrants perform
better in every parameter (education, health, respect for the law)
than most native Canadians. These guys also do not understand that
those German and Polish immigrants who came here decades ago were
not professional people invited by the government, they were decent
people who were fleeing war and hunger and had nothing to offer but
their labor. Our situation is completely different, we have more
options, we are more mobile and can get out quickly if things turn
out to be a scam, as they are. Canadians think that places other
than North America, Western Europe and Japan simply can not offer a
decent standard of living for human beings and are plagued by
poverty and anarchy (again, they are very ignorant), and they truly
believe that they are the best this world has to offer, yet most of
them have not traveled out of their own borders! Ignorance,
ignorance, ignorance! These people get their education from TV
shows!
GET OUT OF CANADA NOW!
Still worse, Canada is packed with rednecks for whom is very easy to
say something brilliant such as “get out if you don’t like it here.”
Well, the redneck had it right this time. There is not a chance you
can win. Get out of Canada now. I’ll give you an example of the
hopelessness you’ll face if you stay there: even the most brainless
Canadians recognize the fact that their health care system faces a
serious shortage of professionals, right? But what do they do with
the doctors, surgeons and nurses they get from abroad? They send
them to wash dishes, drive taxis (if they are lucky) and sweep
floors, just like the rest of the immigrants! Ask yourselves: If
they mistreat and routinely discriminate the kind of professionals
their economy desperately requires, what can happen to the other
highly skilled immigrants who are not in such a critical demand? You
see my point? Get out now, cut your loses, that country is not worth
it! These fake people will never give you a real opportunity, NOT
EVEN IN THEIR OWN INTEREST! GET OUT OF CANADA NOW! NOT NEXT YEAR OR
NEXT MONTH, GET OUT NOW!
I sent a message to this website (see message on February 15, 2006)
with an advice I’ll send again: “I'm using Canada merely as a step
and I encourage all of you to do the same. TAKE WHATEVER YOU CAN
FROM THIS COUNTRY AND THEN LEAVE. Let these hypocrites to enjoy
their awful winters and their "perfect" country."
Well, I did. I left Canada for good last July 1, exactly one year
ago, and now I’m living in California. Life has been so good ever
since! It was the best way to celebrate Canada Day that I could
think of. That’s the best and only way you can deal with these
people. I simply used my Canadian citizen status to get a decent job
here. I miserably lost 2 years of my life in Canada, and Canada lost
about CAD $50,000 in me (I got much lower tuition fees at school for
my graduate degree, health services, French classes, library
services, tax reimbursements, etc., well, at least I did not leave
empty handed). People, take the redneck’s advice: get out of that
country, move to the USA or go back to your home land. Life is way
better here in the USA than in Canada... Earn more money, pay less
taxes, get a much better weather and get also a little and
elementary respect. And they don’t tell lies: they are not inviting
people to come here, they don’t lie about your professional
possibilities, you can expect difficulties to get into the
professional jobs, they have rigorous and strict immigration and
work policies. But in the end is the best you can do. People in the
medicine, engineering and IT sectors can get TN or even H1B visas
very easily if they are Canadian citizens, and that is the only real
use for your Canadian passport. Lots of people are doing exactly
that, just take a look at the following links:
http://www.ccis-ucsd.org/PUBLICATIONS/wrkg20.PDF
www.goodbyecanada.com
By the way, you’ll never hear an American asking for “American
experience”, that’s nothing but Canadian crap; their only concern is
“are you able to do the job or not?” And that is the way it should
be.
WE HAVE A MORAL OBLIGATION!
We have a moral obligation to tell the truth, to spread the word
about the major international scam that Canada is committing. We
have to stop our fellow professional countrymen from going to that
country. Please spread the word about the real face of Canada and
help to save lives and careers. Will I ever go back to Canada? Not
even for an off schedule flight detour, knock on wood.
Guillermo Alvarez
California, USA
guillermoalvarez21 @ yahoo.ca
June 24, 2007
Ladies and Gentlemen
Regarding ESL and all that stuff. Let me set the record straight. My
first language at school all my life has been English and sometimes
it is better that the white Canadian.
I have a Masters Degree from Queen's University in Robotics. I am a
Professional Engineer in Ontario. 8 years back , I had to
professionally start from scratch (no credit for my engineering
experience from back home). Even though Professional Engineers
Ontario gave me the credit for that experience.
Now 8 years down the road, I am in the same position that I was when
I started but wait; its nothing personal against me; I have
witnessed that unless you are white from G7 you will languish
professionally. Its called silent mental torture. Its rampant in
various forms for minorities.
As per my experience below is the basis of getting a job and getting
promotion in Canada :
(1) White; born and bred here - You do not need any license or
qualification. You will ride up the corporate ladder even though
your mentality may be that of a mechanic who should be actually
tightening bolts. And if you are one of the very few who have a
professional degree you will become VP.
(2) White people from poor European Countries - You will rise up and do
not but not as high as the folks in category 1. In reality you
deserve it as you have professional qualifications from back home as
most of you are first generation immigrants.
(3) Non White; born in Canada; have a Canadian accent and the required
professional qualification- You will rise as high as the people in
para 2 but not above that. That will happen only in exceptional
cases where the company needs to demonstrate that it hires and
promotes minorities. So you are a show case example.
(4) Non White - First Generation Professional Immigrants(WE) : Even
though you are the most educated , bright, and you may have degrees
from best of universities for Canada, US etc., you will remain at
entry level as you were bought here for entry level jobs and you
should be thankful that you are here in the first place. You are at
every point expected to Thank you white masters that you are not
wiping floors which you should be really doing. So if you are able
to get a job you will remain in that position. Many bullshit reasons
will be given for it but the real reason is that you fall into
category 4.
This is how the Canadian employer is.
This is not the country for professionals. I do not think that it is
a first world country too. There is Human right violation each and
every day which goes under the radar screen as Canada has a very
week image abroad (not as a stand up country). They hare
historically used to biting the bullet as if they donʼt the
Americans will wipe them out in 10 minutes.
Anyone born and bough up here is highly complexed. Subconsciously
they know they are inferior to the Americans but cannot do anything
about it. They will take out all their frustrations on immigrants
who are weak and powerless.
Also it gives them a sadistic pleasure of living in the colonial old
days when the British ruled. They just feel nice out of doing it.
They have not been able to shake of the British thing for so many
years.
If any minority raised his / her voice, even if they may be right ,
they do not like it and will crush them with false allegations.
And the people who can actually lift this country and give it a
bright future are kept in Category 4. They are the ones who came
here to contribute but were stabbed in the back.
So my friends this is the real Canada and its high time they are
exposed. As every minute and every second they are destroying lives.
Pay everyone compensation for the pain and mental suffering then all
of them will leave tomorrow. Most people want human and professional
dignity.
Let me tell you its not as bad in the US, Australia , UK. They are
all stand up countries. When was the last time Canada took a
independent political stand. I can remember is Chretian's NO to Iraq
( I really liked his guts).
Do you think my boss knows even comes close in terms of IQ to me , I
guess not . But he falls into category (1) !.
Have fun !
vikas suri
engvik2002 @ yahoo.co.in
June 23, 2007
Dear Mr/Ms Barclay,
I am protesting your assumption that all immigrants are lacking
English
language and communication skills. You might overlooked the fact
that there
is no such thing in the US as "English and cultural awareness". The
reason
is that the culture in the US is based on meritocracy, not on
ridiculous
excuses like Canadian experience and cultural awareness standards.
Thousands
of Asian and Indian immigrants are prospering in the US. No one is
questioning their accent or language skills. On the opposite, Canada
has no
culture. Gentle? Peaceful? Not quiet. In Canada, which claims to be
gentler
than its American neighbor, the interpersonal violence is higher
than in the
US.
Recent brutal crimes from a city and country, which claims to be the
best in
the world:
Mao Jomar Lanot was beaten to death outside a Vancouver school last
Friday
night in Vancouver on Dec. 2, 2003
Sixteen-year-old Matthew Martins' life ended violently when he was
cornered
and beaten at the bottom of an escalator in a Surrey SkyTrain
station on
July 2, 2005
Elderly B.C. woman dies in vicious beating in at Campbell River on
Apr. 29
2006
Michael Brophy, an aspiring chef in Nanaimo, was beaten to death
early
Saturday morning on October 23, 2006
FYI:
Burglary - Widely believed as the gravest of property crimes,
burglary is
lower in US today than in the 80s. As of 2000, US has lower rates
than
Australia, Canada, Denmark, England, Finland, and Wales. It has
higher rates
than Korea, Saudi Arabia, and Spain.
Rape - In the 80s and 90s, US rates were higher than most of the
Western
countries, but by 2000, Canada is leading. Rape reports are lower in
Asia
and the Middle East.
http://www.nationmaster.com/article/Crime-Rates-Around-the-World
I wish to quote the 3rd reason not to immigrate to Canada:
No Culture.
Unlike almost every other country in the world, Canada has no
culture.
Actually American culture is what dominates Canada. When was the
last time
you had some 'Canadian' food? There are no Canadian traditions and
there is
no national identity. What does it even mean to call yourself a
'Canadian'.
. .nothing really. People living in Canada, still identify
themselves with
the country they 'originally' came from.
Steven
yvr99 @ hotmail.com
June 19, 2007
As an ESL teacher, I am surprised by the assumption that you can get
a good job even though your English and cultural awareness is not up
to standard. Look at some of the postings--their English is awful!
To be a professional, you must be able to write. It's hard work!
Sorry!
Furthermore, I see people not getting involved whatsoever in the
community. They wait for people to reach out to them, without taking
any initiative to do it themselves. Then they wonder why their
English isn't improving. How can it when they listen to radio and TV
programs in their own language, and do not make any attempts to meet
Canadians. As a result, they are lacking communication skills which
would land them a job.
What would I have to do if I immigrated to your country? Think about
it! The first thing is LEARN the LANGUAGE and LEARN the CULTURE!
You say there is no culture here, but if I moved to your country and
behaved exactly like I do here, it would not be acceptable. I would
have to change. Right?
I agree about the fact that it is sometimes unreasonably difficult
to
get credentials recognized, but it's not an excuse to completely
dismiss the country.
H. Barclay
Vancouver, B.C.
zaritraders @ telus.net
June 10, 2007
We are not going to rant and rave as we have seen on the many posts
that are on NotCanada.com but we do have our story...I Jonathan am
a born Canadian and my life partner Alice is a born Filipina. Alice
migrated to Canada in 1977 and subsequently went through the trails
and tribulations described on this web site. Alice, in the
Philippines is a school teacher and also an RN not to mention that
she also ran her parents family businesses, Movie theater,
Philippine airline domestic ticket outlet and the now City Electric
company that was developed by her father. To add to this her family
was also involved in the political arena. She moved to Canada Not as
a safe haven in the land of “Milk and Honey” but to gain her
Independence!! She did, work in menial jobs for many years until she
could get to a point where she could go back to school to gain back
some of her credentials. She had enough insght, drive and
flexibility to see that the best thing for her to do was to pursue
accreditation with in the range of her reach for the short term and
work her way through to related fields. This was no easy task by any
means, considering the overall environment in Canada in 1977. No
guidance, No support, No support organizations, and No government
agencies to give direction.
I Jonathan was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth. I started
working at the age of ten in construction. Before that I collected
bottles cut grass and shoveled snow. This was not for pocket money
but for survival... due to this situation I did not have the
opportunity to finish school until later in life when I went to
college as a mature student. Again this was after many years of long
hour work days and heavy physical labor for not a very good wage.
After finishing college and being so proud of my self I found my
self back doing the same thing that I had always done (long hour
work days and heavy physical labor). I ended up starting my own
business which ran for many years and allowed me to gain some kind
of foothold in the society of Canada.
When my life Partner and I met we came to general consciences that
something should be done. We were both entrepreneurial type people
and we wanted to make a difference. We decided to go to the
Philippines to do a research and development project. It was the
biggest education that I could have ever asked for. We lived in
Mindanao for five years doing our research. Our aim was Sustainable
living. To put it more clearly we lived our research. We lived in a
ten by ten shack in the mountains of northern Mindanao. No Running
water, No electricity, etc. We interviewed people, collected data,
carried out extensive experiments, and analyzed. All of this came to
a head when we ran out of funds to carry on in our fifth year.
At this point I would like to Thank Canada, as we were assisted to
come back to Canada where we continued our research and have now
Created a Non Profit Organization. ( CETODELtt Sustainable Living
Resource Organization) the CETODELtt stands for Canadian Eco-
tourism Open distance e-learning technology transfer.
Our mission is to assist in education, accreditation of foreign
credentials to be recognized in Canada and to bring Canadian
education overseas so that the potential immigrants to Canada will
have a better chance to be recognized in their respective fields.
Our intent is also to help potential Immigrants realize that Canada
is not “the land of milk and honey” but given the proper information
Canada can be a bountiful place to live and start a new life.
CETODELTT
Victoria, British Columbia
CANADA V8W 2K5
eMAIL : cetodeltt @ shaw.ca
June 09, 2007
What the hell is wrong with people? So Canada is not perfect,
neither is the US, Africa, Australia, Mexico or any other country
for that matter. This whole topic has ticked me off. Why can’t the
people of the world just get along. You are NOT better than us and
WE are not better than them. I am sick of living in a world of hate,
dis-regard for human life, violence, and holier than thou attitudes.
It is about time we all stopped bitching about the problems of this
world and start working together to make the world a better place
and this starts in our own homes, backyards, schools, workplaces,
communities, provinces/states, and countries – running down another
culture, country, its people. Prejudice, racial issues/slurs,
corrupt governments, and the issues everyone in the world is so
quick to point out about Canada are not isolated to Canada and if
you think they are give your head a shake.
True, it would appear that our government made some false promises
to get you to come here… and shame on them for that but, shame on
you for believing them without doing your own due diligence. Our
government lies to us everyday and liberal, conservative or
otherwise I have no faith in any political party to make the changes
they promised – in any country.
I feel safe in Canada (for the most part) I know that my police
force is going to protect me, I am free to wear what I want, I have
freedom of speech, and I am free to practice whatever faith I choose
without being stoned, incarcerated, or put to death because of my
beliefs or faith. Would I leave Canada? Maybe, but not for long and
Canada would always be home to me.
I am really very curious how much easier we would have it finding
jobs, being accepted, mixing our culture in with yours in your
countries? What process would we have to go thorough to get to
‘your’ standards to live in your country. For the most part this is
a great site for those thinking of immigrating to Canada, I hope
more read it and take most of what is said into consideration before
making a decision to leave it all behind in hopes of a better life.
But you have heard it on here already, and from people who have
immigrated here – it is not going to come without hard work,
sacrifice, determination and adjustment. It is called life, and even
as Canadian born citizens we have to adjust everyday.
Look at the problems in your own countries before attacking Canada
for ours. You non-Canadians have already demonstrated some of your
stereotypical attitudes about Canada. 1) We are red-necks: Why
because 80% of the population drives jacked up trucks? Not red-neck
it is practical thinking – have you seen the snow we get? And please
don’t tell me the US doesn’t have it share if so-called ‘red-necks’
or trailer trash, white trash what ever you want to call it. 2) We
live in igloos and arrive by dog sled? 3) We are all rude, ignorant
and arrogant:: don’t base the whole population on a handful of
people you have met. I happen to have met some very ignorant and
arrogant people from other countries in my travels but that does not
mean I think their whole country is that way…. that is not even
fair.
By the way with regards to the weather thing; we have about as much
control over that as you have of your own… so that point is well….
pointless to even be listed.
How about instead of having this website, we do something totally
amazing and start one called “A United World” and lets start helping
each other not complaining about one another.
Get over yourselves!
Ticked of Canadian
Kimberly
canadiankimmie @ hotmail.com
June 02, 2007
Canada Immigration - Modern Day Slave Trade
Q: Why does Canada welcome Immigrants?
A: Canada’s population is shrinking and getting older. Government is
supposed to pay for maintaining the standard of living and health
care of the old citizens. But how does the government find the money
for it? The solution: Immigration Canada allows around 250,000
immigrants per year to enter Canada along with C$2.5 – C$ 5.0
billion of foreign reserves that these immigrants bring along with
them.
Q: How does Canada find their gold mine?
A: Marketing! Advertisements! And incentives to private immigration
firms. Big and small immigration firms lure the third world human
commodity by giving a glossy picture of Canada such as the land of
opportunities, freedom and prosperity. In the past, the slave
traders lured people from African villages by telling the same story
and eventually sent to slavery. The MODERN DAY SLAVE TRADE by Canada
is not any different!
Q: What happens to the immigrants after they
come to Canada?
A: The architects of Canada’s immigration have devised a
social/government system (known as “systemic discrimination”) to
“utilize” this man-power to the advantage of the host population. In
this system, with a 0.9 probability, the immigrants irrespective of
their skills or profession will end up working in the blue collar
jobs under white management.
Q: How does the “systemic discrimination” work?
A: Some of the tools the Canadians used to keep the immigrants out
of decent paying jobs are as follows:
(1) Every job other than labour jobs requires
“excellent communication skills…that is your ability to speak in
English with Canadian accent”. This will eliminate 99% of immigrants
who have slight to thick accent.
(2) Require “Canadian work experience….”.. You can’t have Canadian
experience without getting a Canadian job in the first place!
(3) The selection for majority of jobs ( > 85%) in the private
sector is done through “referrals”. The referrals come from
“networks”. Networks are made mostly through social gatherings. And
the Canadians, unfortunately, tend to socialize with their family
members and friends from their own community. As per an Asian
immigrant “his community and social networks are with taxi
drivers…so eventually he became a taxi driver”. Meritocracy has no
place in Canadian labour market. Nepotism is the norm.
(4) Canada has laws to prevent “discrimination”. However,
technically none of the above “requirements or methods” is against
the law.
(5) Most professions (e.g. Engineering, medical, law) require
professional registration. YOU NEED Canadian experience to
get the registration. If you have no registration, you can’t be an
independent practitioner in your profession.
Q: How about getting into business?
A: Those few “star” immigrants leading a decent life in Canada are
into trade or service businesses primarily targeting their ethnic
group market. The government is pro-white. “Government services” are
one of the biggest business area where the services are delivered
though private companies. And obviously the contract goes to the
white-business partners of the politician in power. (Please make a
Google search for the key word “Canada Sponsorship scandal” for
details).
Q: How successful is the Canadian Immigration
gold mine project?
A: Very successful. The marketing department (www.cic.gc.ca) is
doing a very good job. The victims of this trade often do not tell
their stories because of shame. And also, once you become a coloured
citizen of Canada, you are pretty much stuck here.
Q: Does the media come to the rescue of the
oppressed like in any democratic society?
A: NO! The mainstream news media is controlled by the white host
Canadians.
Q: How do the oppressed immigrants in Canada
reciprocate?
A: So far THE SILENCE of the victims is the norm. However, a brave
few have spoken with websites like: www.NotCanada.com
Q: How about the coloured politicians in
Canada?
A: They are the creation of the “System” They work for the system!!
Q: What advice do you have for an aspiring
Immigrant to Canada?
A: If you are educated and professional, stay away from Canada. If
you are a labourer or truck driver and NOT planning to raise your
children in Canada, come on and have some fun!
Immigrant in Canada
immigrantsincanada @ yahoo.com
June 02, 2007
Hi,
It finally hit me a few days ago that I might be labouring under a
grotesque delusion as regards this whole issue of my immigration to
Canada, and the real intention of the Canadian Government....or
should I say the Canadian Institutions, who are jealously protecting
the job market. An assessment letter I received from the Committee
on Accreditation of Lawyers finally drove the message home to me. It
shattered the little hope I had entertained in the past.
My wife and I are both Lawyers of 19 years standing. We were called
to the Nigerian Bar. Before that I graduate in Law (LLB) from the
London University, while my wife went to one of the best Law
Universities in Nigeria. Prior to reading Law, I had a BA(hons) in
Social Admin, and an MA Criminology (both from British
Universities). I also have an LLM (masters) in Law. While in
Nigeria, my wife worked as a Magistrate. Armed with all these, and
more, you would have thought our coming to Canada would be a 'sail
through', and an asset to Canada. You are wrong.
Ever since we landed just over a year ago, we had thought it was
only a matter of time..and we would be fully settled, with our two
kids.Now it looks like a mirage. We had thought the Law Committee
would probably recommend that we sit for 3-4 exams in order to be
called to the Canadian Bar. This is informed by the obvious fact
that Nigeria operates a Common Law system, just like the British and
Canadians. Moreso, all our education was attained in English, not
least our respectable levels of qualification and achievements. This
was all rubbished by the Committee...asking me to sit 8 exams, while
my wife was asked to sit 12. At $550 per exam, your guess is as good
as mine as to how much drain it constitutes to the pocket.
We intend to appeal this decision, but not too hopeful about the
outcome. It would seem to me that these Canadians are not really in
touch with the real world. I say this because our colleagues who
have migrated to other parts of the Western world do not suffer the
level of embarrassment and degradation that immigrants to Canada
tend to suffer.It is true that every new comer to any society has
got to pay his dues, but in the case of Canada it seems to be a case
of wandering in the doldrum.
However one thing is for sure...that is....if the Canadians
think that people of our station in life would come here to fill up
their 'MacDonald' vacancies, then they must be deluded. To my mind,
I put it down to Colonial mentality. What makes them feel that
Lawyers from outside Canada are less proficient than Canadian
lawyers. Doctors coming into Canada suffer the same plight, if not
worse. And yet you hear that hospitals are short of doctors.
Unfortunately for Canadians, they fail to realise that a fresh
doctor from Nigeria (for example) is far more experienced than even
a consultant in the West. This is because the doctors from the
so-called third world often tend to improvise and perform under more
difficult circumstances, sometimes handling complex medical
procedures that are far beyond the calling of their Canadian
counterparts. They are usually less bugged down by the unnecessary
legal restrictions and protocol that tend to pervade medical
practices and services in Western countries.
It is time for the Canadian government to compel its institutions to
put away their prejudices, and face reality lest they lose out in
the commity of nations. It is obvious there is wanton shortage of
labour everywhere. Amidst the pain and shock that immigrants endure
in Canada, there lies a consolation that the world is so big out
there leaving qualified persons spoilt for choice. CANADA MUST WAKE
UP.
Charles Ebun-Amu
ozefej @ yahoo.com
May 24, 2007
I would like you to add this video clip to your page as part of the commentary to every one see where are new comers or refugee are
living,
Ten years a go I did mistake and I land here as political refugee,
was supported by the US embassy to land in USA, I did but some
stupid friend in los angeles brain wash me to move here in Canada ,
best stupid place for living, I became homeless , I never had any
chance to display or sale my art works here , because art
organization are ruining by the white Canadian, or they support the
own friend or some one they like? Government of Canada spending so
much money and times on free crime and drugs in Vancouver, grant to
gay and gay married, single divorce women feminism but not on
immigrants that are having talent or educated,
Thank you for creating this popular website; it's been informative,
helpful and honest. For the would-be skilled and business
immigrants: please study the country's facts and listen to as many
sources as u could before coming down to Canada before u may regret
and just waste your money. How many habitable spaces are there and
the Canadian govt's policy in attracting 250,000 immigrants yearly;
what will be the chances for success for being there
competitively??? Don't just live by illusional Exceptions rule, but
do your math & statistics as well. Also, look at some real comments
from so-called native Canadians to tell how friendly they are!
To the proud native, red-necks: u all must also know that many
immigrants are rich, US-educated ones who just wanna explore more
POSSIBLE opportunities in work and business in Canada, if ever any.
Don't u ever think your Canadian education is ever equal to that of
the US' top universities in terms of the quality standards? U all
are snobbish thinking that all immigrants are from famine,
full-of-disease, poor countries deserving to be your slaves. Some of
us live in big houses in big cities and drive newest types of
Mercedes that are worth more in our currency than in CAN $; some of
us always pay out-of-state tuitions to have graduated from top
graduate schools in the US and buy houses in the US, you morons! Be
proud and go to hell with your useless racist pride!
I recently asked a preliminary question on Yahoo about living and
working in Canada for US educated foreigners, one native Canadian
replied that my foreign qualifications would mean nothing in Canada,
whereas I already mentioned that I went to schools and lived in the
US for 9 years already. She might not understand English, could not
read my detailed statements or simply ignorantly regarded that all
foreigners never met the Canadian qualifications. She did not know
that the undergrad n MBA degrees from U-Penn would be worth way more
than her any schools in Canada, stupid woman, rx77165.
The US is definitely a better place for immigrants given the
country's large economy; what will economically-dependent Canada be
without the US?? What a shame, u conceited native Canadians, with
your superior beliefs that all immigrants are to be your slaves! We
don't need u and your country either!
From: Prospective Rich & Highly Educated Immigrants Who Will Never
Come To Canada
Creature Smart
smart_creature @ yahoo.com
May 20, 2007
I really hope you post this on your website
cause it needs to be heard.
First of all for all of you canadians saying that they are not
welcome here
and that we dont want them, you might feel that way but most of us
it really
wouldnt matter either way they are people and the only difference is
that
they came from a different country
Second of all for all of you immigrants saying that this is a
horrible
country with a modern day slave labour system...no no no youve got
it all
wrong what happened in the 1800's n the southern states was slave
labour,
they werent paid and were fed animal feed and it was outlawed in
1860's or
70's. also to all the immigrants, canada is considered sub arctic
and if
you go really far north yes it is in the arctic circle, anyboyd with
a basic
understanding of geography (where the countries are in the world)
you can
understand this, were you expecting it to be warm all year round??
if you
were then you probably shouldnt have a degree in the first place,
also we do
not leech of the US we do not take things from them they get all of
the wood
they use from us and a comprimise was recently reached so taht the
trade was
fair.
Also we did not force you to come here you came of your own free
will.
why did you leave your country anyway?? if it was a 3rd world
country and
you wanted a better life then ya you shouldnt expect to get a
fantastic job
right away and live in an amazingly huge house and drive lexus, yes
its
expensive deal with it we all have and also if i want a doctor or a
lawyer i
want them to speak my language. and how welcoming would you be to us
if we
immigrated to your country?? would we be treated as equals?? would
we be
given high paying jobs?? the answer is no we wouldnt so stop
bitching about
canada, we are not a magical ship of freedom and multiculturilism
floating
in the sea of racism and poverty, NEWS FLASH every country in the
world has
a poverty stricken area, also we do not have a higher crime rate
than the US
we have around 500 murders ever year for the entire country, in
dallas
county in texas they have about 500 every year, that would be 500 in
one
small county compared to 500 in a rather large country.
We dont need more people we dont nessacarily want to have 300
million people
and all of living in small cramped apartments we like having
backyards and
parks. also for those who think that we have a larger drug trade and
problem
than the US again your wrong again with the dallas county texas
thing they
have had more drug and gang realted violence in the past 6 months
than canada
has had in the last 2 years (going with the whole small county
compared to
big country thing). so you had a bad experience, oh well you cant
make
everybody happy and you never will, we have amazing people and so do
most
countries, our land is very beautiful and picturesque, same with
some
countries, our government is better than most, yes it would use some
work
so could iraq's india's the US's and switzerland's, what is your
point??
I myself am a proud canadian i have had no problems here i know
people who
have immigrated here and am good friends with alot of immigrants,
they have
had no problems here, this website is so biased i could almost puke,
try
posting some of the good experiences people have had?? but the
people who
have had good experiences dont need to spend their time on the
computer
defending a place that they live and thrive in because unlike most
of the
people on this website they have a life and are not bitter and
miserable.
Tori Pearson
retro_q-tip @ hotmail.com
May 19, 2007
New Articles. Please Read!
(Copy and paste the URL's into your address bar on your web browser)
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Canada’s immigration policy is flawed - http://thechronicleherald.ca/Opinion/835082.html
Canada a struggle for many newcomers - http://thestar.workopolis.com/servlet/Content/torontostar/20070421/star20070421?section=TORSTAR
Canada lags behind peers in raising standard of living - http://www.canada.com/globaltv/national/story.html?id=7c292b0e-720c-42fa-830d-5d5d249fa720&k=57585
S. Jerzak
Toronto, Ontario
stanjer @ mailcity.net
May 18, 2007
Lets see if the web host of this outrageous site has the brass the
post this
email.
I doubt it.
First of all to all the whiners, lose the attitudes, who do you
think you
are anyway ?
Secondly, to all you third world immigrants including China, India
and the
Middle East
we DO NOT want you here at all, stay in your own country. Whatever
made you
think we are welcoming?
If you think that Canadians want you here, you are sadly and grossly
mistaken.
We don't care how lofty you feel about yourselves, you are just
another
immigrant. Just ask anyone .
Canadians do not regard you as "one of us" we feel no "kinship" with
you as
a "fellow" Canadian.
You are and always will be just another immigrant. And to the ones
that post
messages that contain what sounds like a threat against Canada as if
you are
foreign invaders on the brink of taking over.
Remember, you are way outnumbered and if you think for one second
that there
isn't a huge yet right now quiet anger towards you, then you really
are out
to lunch.
Go ahead, try pushing the envelope a little more, keep going. It
will make
the backlash against the Lebanese last summer look like a picnic.
Look how
fast they shut up when Canadians started to push back.
Remember who the foreigner actually is here. Its YOU !!
Brian Smith
bime141 @ hotmail.com
May 17, 2007
People of Canada,
Please don't take the attitude of telling immigrants
to "just get out", or "we don't need you" B.S. The
gripe here is that many of these people are coming
misguided by your own government!
To all those proud Canadians that simply miss the
point of this website ... listen carefully: It is the
Canadian Government painting an exaggerated, rosy,
picture of life in the "great white north" to hopeful
professional immigrants that is partly to blame. It is
also the fact that they take their money (10K US
approx.) that also adds injury to insult. The rest of
the blame would have to fall on over zealous/hopeful
immigrants who don't do their homework before they
leave their country thinking Canada is some sort of
northern paradise. (It is not! It is cold, tough,
lonely, and expensive!!!)
Canada is definitely not a bad country, but, please,
certainly not the best country to live in the world. I
myself spent over a decade there ... so I know. And
for those canucks who look down upon the US as if
Canada was so much better, well, either you just say
it out of pride, or ignorance, stupidity, or a
combination of all three. The US isn't perfect, but
for professionals who are hungry to succeed, it is the
place to be. It is truly, still, the land of
opportunity. So Cody, you obviously don't know what
you're talking about, because most PhD's or competent
professionals will do A LOT BETTER IN THE U.S. and
won't be subjugated to mediocre bottom feeder jobs.
And what else will they get??(depending on the city
they choose - other than the mere 3 to chose from in
all Canada -Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver -the rest
are towns). They get less taxes, better salaries,
better jobs, overall BETTER WEATHER, and a chance to
really prove themselves. To all these bitter Canadians
with an inferiority complex ... don't trash the U.S. !
It's still a better country for competent people! If
you're struggling in the bottom half of the spectrum,
than, yes, stay in Canada, collect your government
checks, and milk the socialist system for all it's
worth!
I myself am a witness to all the truths spoken on this
site ... I am now in the U.S. enjoying a salary and
status that I would have never achieved in Canada
(trust me, there are thousands of Canadians in the US
doing the same- and you cannot blame them!). Anyways,
all in all, nothing is perfect, but shame on the
Canadian government for taking hopeful immigrants on
this quasi scam. And for those hopeful immigrants ...
the grass isn't necessarily greener on the other side
... evaluate your situation well before you make the
move ... leaving your family, your customs, culture,
city, and friends is very costly ... Canada may not be
worth it.
Robert Chiang
chiang_rob @ yahoo.com
May 16, 2007
To All Canadians:
Cody wrote: "There are professionals from our universities that are
finding
it very difficult to find meaningful work in our own country."
"...when
in fact, many Canadians are struggling themselves"
In a first world country people who graduate from university can
find
meaningful work without much difficulty. In a 1st world country,
very few
(highly) educated people are struggling themselves to make a living.
In a
first word country, professional people succeed on their merits
regardless
where did they get their education and experience. This word is not
in the
Canadian dictionary: meritocracy.
That is why we are saying that Canada is in fact a 3rd world country
with
the fake image of a 1st world country. We will keep telling to you
until you
will understand that. Like it or not, that is the truth. If you do
not like
our opinion then you can visit other websites. By the way, we are
not
telling it to annoy the ignorant, greedy, dummy Canadian born
people. We
feel that we have a moral obligation to tell the truth and help
other
immigrants or prospective immigrants to avoid the trap we
experienced in
Canada. That is called freedom of speech or freedom of expression.
Article
19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
By the way what makes you think that the Native Indians should have
bent
their backs to your ancestors? Given all the land disputes going on,
I think
that they wish you to go to hell. Even the mooses and racoons think
the
same. You are not better than most of the immigrants and most of the
time
the opposite is the truth.
Steven
yvr99 @ hotmail.com
May 15, 2007
To whom it may concern:
I just stumbled across your website, and was dismayed with what I
read. I
can sympathize with many of the stories on the website, but hardly
agree
with their plights. Canada is great country, and just because we are
a
first world nation, does not mean that we must bend over backwards
for
people immigrating to our country.
You post stories of how PhDs are taxi drivers because they can't get
a job?
First of all, if their degree is not valid in Canada, then that
person
should make an effort to validate his degree. If that person does
have the
knowledge, then there is no reason why he shouldn't be able to have
it
validated fairly quickly. If the country cannot vouch for the
university
this person has earned his degree, why should we recognize it? There
are
professionals from our universities that are finding it very
difficult to
find meaningful work in our own country.
Honestly, if it is so difficult for some individuals to make it
here, then
perhaps they should go home, or try another country. Perhaps head
south to
the USA; I'm sure conditions are MUCH better there. Yes, that was
sarcastic.
Canada is not without her faults, and anyone who believes their
problems
will magically disappear if they come here are sorely mistaking. Nor
do we
have room or patience for people who expect us to drop everything to
make
their lives perfect, when in fact, many Canadians are struggling
themselves.
Bottom line: If you aren't willing to make an effort, or do not like
here,
then get out so people who will enjoy and contribute to our nation
may come
here.
1] Though a part of the problem with canada is the lack of good
jobs, even that problem is due to canuck stupidity, mediocrity,
risk-averseness etc.. especially a 'dog in the manger' attitude..
they cannot create anything good, but neither will they allow
competent people to do it, especially if they have a different skin
color or 'strange' surname. Try getting a business loan, try
expanding your business, getting contracts from places other than
the USA.. These people are stagnating and they want to drag others
into their personally crafted hell..
2] Given that canucks owe their 'first world' status because they
are located next to the US, it is rather funny to watch these
creatures disparage the US. While I do not believe that the US is a
paradise, the fact remains that immigrants who get a professional
job in the US do very well. You do have to game their system, but in
the end it works quite well, most of the time. Canada does not do
that.. plain and simple..
3] For all those "real canucks" who want to teach humility and
dignity of work to professional immigrants.. Try it YOURSELF first!!
And don't tell professional immigrants to accept things.. you know
what, professional immigrants move to other countries to improve
their lifestyle.. that is all.. they owe their loyalty to whoever
gives them the best lifestyle.. and unlike the poor, uneducated
immigrants of old (your ancestors), they will game your system and
get the best deal for themselves. If you think that these people or
their kids are going to take it forever and clean your toilets for
eternity, you are delusional. But then again, canucks are very
delusional..
Again.. if you think that treating immigrants like ***p will not
create very serious problems for you, you are delusional. The only
question is when things are going to hit the fan.. not IF but WHEN..
and with a shrinking population and a sub-replacement reproduction
rate, you are in for some very interesting times. You cannot win
this.. your best hope is not ******* more immigrants... But I have a
feeling that you will not change...
Miguel A. J. Garcia
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
majgarcia @ yahoo.ca
May 05, 2007
Multiculturalism is a failure. Rather than make
us all feel part of 'one Canada', it has made many withdraw into
their own communities and lose sight of the greater Canada. Rather
than bring people together, it has divided us. In truth,
multiculturalism is nothing more than a 40 year old cynical Liberal
vote buying scheme. Everyone hates everyone else in Canada these
days.
Visible minorities come to Canada and form
there cliques and circle's which automatically creates discomfort
and distances themselves from the lighter side of the population.
Multiculturalism is a time bomb waiting to go off. This will be come
evident sooner than later if the government continues to let in
foreigners with totally differing beliefs and value systems.
Gord Levin
glevin65 @ comcast.ca
April 21, 2007
Dear Not Canada Team,
I'm a grade 11 student in Calgary Alberta Canada. I've been
researching a debate about whether affluent nations should accept
more immigrants. While many scholarly sights have talked about the
necessity of finding cheep labourers for minimum wage jobs to keep
an economy like Canada's running your sight has been a refreshing
reminder of the human being factor. Though you've never directly
addressed the issue your website has in many ways showcased the
argument against increasing immigration allowances. In fact several
members on your forum have directly asked for immigration quotas to
be lowered. I'm wondering how far your opinion goes. Is it just not
Canada, or not OECD nations? If you don't mind me asking, I would
appreciate your sights opinion on affluent nations accepting more
immigrants. I understand its a broad topic, but any insight you
could give me would be helpful. I have to be able to effectively for
debate both sides of the issue. You can contact me through email at
justenrussell @ hotmail.com. Thank-you for your time and
consideration of this request. I look forward to hearing back from
you, every little bit helps.
Sincerely,
Justen Russell
justenrussell @ hotmail.com
April 20, 2007
More recent articles that depict the true colour of Canada (hell):
High Cost of Poverty in Canada: http://www.wellandtribune.ca/webapp/sitepages/content.asp?contentid=496076&catname=Local%20News&classif=
Recognizing foreign credentials in Canada: http://www.canada.com/reginaleaderpost/news/business_agriculture/story.html?id=91141a7c-1323-435a-83ae-61d99fcb6af0
S. Jerzak
Toronto, Ontario
stanjer @ mailcity.net
April 14, 2007
Why are these people leaving their countries if they are better than
Canada?
No one is forcing them to come, if canada is such a bad place why
are you
trying to emigrate here...
Canadians arent in a rush to leave canada....so maybe people should
ask
themselves is canada that bad or is my own home so bad i need to get
out...
Seems like immigrants are the only ones complaining...so dont come
then...
we canadians love our country and dont mind living here...there is
no mass
exodus of people leaving...
Mario Iozzo
Toronto, Ontario
m_iozzo @ hotmail.com
April 09, 2007
Dear NotCanada team,
I'm just waiting for the citizenship in order to leave the country
...so for the time being please don't post my
experiences...afterwards no problem! (max 5 months is my estimate)
Your experiences as an immigrant in Canada
Similar to the vast majority of immigrants who came after 2001 my
experience was disappointing and I lost lots of money; I was working
in engineering back in Europe and know I ended up in shipping....(I
came here in 2003). I had numerous bad/shocking experiences from the
first week when I had to open an account at the bank, later through
the job searching process and now at work.
Your opinions about the current situation in Canada for immigrants.
the situation is very bad mainly because of the job market (but also
because of the discrimination). As someone mentioned in the forum,
immigrants are not doing the research properly before coming here
and there are not enough jobs even for the locals.
Some things could be done rapidly: -according to statistics Canada
unemployment for immigrants is around 20% and about 50% are
underemployed. What about reducing the "quota" by 70% ? - What about
copying the good parts of the German system which allows new
absolvents to look 1 year for a job if not they have to leave the
country! In case they do find a job, they get the permanent
residency. If highly skilled people are employed (more difficult but
there are cases) they make sure there is no abuse and foreign
nationals can't be paid below a (very decent) level. - some say
Australia had a more intelligent immigration system...didn't do any
research, probably it's worth studying it. (they stop it anyways)
There are solutions but it needs some willingness up there to
implement.
The issues you have faced in Canada as an immigrant
No jobs, high costs of living, very poor quality of houses and food,
unfriendly people, barbaric weather etc...I do admit, I didn't do my
research before coming here. Something very important too: many of
my fellow countrymen who were already here didn't say the
truth...and if they would, I wouldn't have believed them!
Related newspaper articles, websites or pictures you have come
across
I had some but in Romanian and not sure if I have them any more...
Burcin Mihai
mihaiburcin @ yahoo.co.uk
April 07, 2007
Dear notcanada website
Guess what? As a Canadian, I agree with you.
People of other nations shouldn't move to Canada... We don't need
them, nor
do we want them.
Canada has so many ungrateful immigrants like you guys, that I've
personally
felt like we've given up our sovereignty and our land to every
developing
nation on the planet and for what? To have our generosity thrown
back in our
face? I'd much rather immigrants stay in their own
war-torn/disease-ridden/famine-infested country until they
eventually die of
something that they wouldn't die from here. The less immigrants in
the
country the less jobs being stolen from Canadian nationals. So
please
continue telling people to stay out of Canada. The less immigrants
the
better.
The immigrants who don't like it here can get the hell out, no-ones
forcing
them to stay.
I'll assume you have no response.... but if you do I'd be glad to
here it.
mike mcphail
intergalactic_gamma_goblin @ hotmail.com
April 01, 2007
I absolutely love your website! You basically say everything I've
been thinking of for so long and have told my friends and relatives
both inside and outside Canada.
Let me say a few things about myself and my situation with living
and working in Canada. I'm from South Carolina originally. My mother
is Greek and my father is Canadian. I have dual US and Canadian
citizenships. I lived in the US (Massachusetts, SC and Maryland) and
then my dad got a job in Edmonton, so we moved there in 1988. I went
to junior high school, high school and university there and when I
graduated, I looked for a job. It took me a few months to find a job
and that was working as a janitor for the University of Alberta,
where I graduated from. Pretty humiliating, especially for someone
who has two degrees.
After working there for a few months, I had enough and moved to New
York City and got a job as a financial analyst. I stayed for a
little over five years, then moved back to Edmonton in 2005 due to
some family issues. Leaving NY was a HUGE mistake. It was supposed
to be a temporary move, but I kept an open mind. Besides, Alberta
was supposedly "booming" and there were plenty of jobs for all. Not
so. There were plenty of jobs, but mostly in customer service. I
worked at call centers and administrative jobs making $8-$12 an
hour. I had an interview for one job in Vancouver, but it only paid
$25,000 a year and in the end, they said I didn't have "Canadian
experience". All this was very humiliating, especially for someone
who used to work on Wall Street. Where else can you get better
financial experience than Wall Street?!
I had enough of the cold, the people, the hypocrisy, the poor job
prospects, the taxes and just about everything else. I moved back to
NY last summer and work for a small company as an accountant. I'm
also starting my own business with a friend here. While I don't make
as much as I did with my last analyst job in NY, I still make a lot
more than I ever could have in Canada. Still, I feel the two years
in Edmonton did incalculable damage to my career.
Anyways, your site is an absolute breath of fresh air and very
honest and open about the numerous problems in Canada which the
government, and many Canadians, refuse to acknowledge. I thought
there was hope when the Conservatives were elected, but I don't see
them being able to improve things with the way the government is set
up now.
In short, I have no intention to move back to Canada. My friends
there are looking to get out. My family is still there, but I think
they will eventually want to leave as well. It's a shame to see how
far down the country has fallen the last two decades. Your website
really hits the nail on the head in a very good and succinct manner.
I think I have a lot I can offer and for that, I'd love to be a
member of your team.
Best,
Louis Jacobs
New York City, New York
lmjacobs6 @ yahoo.com
March 26, 2007
Dear Sir or Madam,
I would like to commend you to post such honest and informative
website. It is time people have a balanced opinion and learn the
truth about Socialist Canada.
With a degree in electrical engineering, 3 years of experience and
full of energy to work as an IT professional, I landed in Vancouver,
BC in 1997.
I went to a job fair there and two employers had the heart to tell
me that they would give preferences to hire Canadian citizens
(although the job was not military or government related). I got few
interviews there but employers came with excuses about Canadian
experience required.
Thanks God I submitted my resume to an American company. I was
invited to work in Seattle, WA, US. Life has been so good since
then. I am now a proud US Permanent Resident and I visit Socialist
Canada only to see my friends there in despair. It is amazing to see
that the US is still the only place in the world which truly
embraces immigrants.
Thanks,
R. Nathan
Seattle, Washington, USA
ron_nath @ hotmail.com
March 20, 2007
Dear Sir/Madam,
You could talk days and nights how bad Canada is but this will not
solve the
problem. It is not worth of trying to blacken or destroy a system
when you
don't have a better one to replace it. Somehow no matter where you
go, there
is no paradise on earth. Every country has its own problems. You are
in
Canada, because you were not safe or uncomfortable in your own
country.
Concerning the problem of immigrants' integration in Canada, I
preferred to
be positive and sent a
proposal of a model
that could help solving this
problem. I am sending this message to your website not because I
agree with
all what is said here but just to reach a wider audience for my
opinion.
In life, when facing a problem, you can choose to sit down in a
corner like
a begger, complain and wait for a solution to come your way or
decide to act
on it. Canada is a democratic country and there are many legal tools
that
could be used to solve the problem. You pass them by, sit down
somewhere and
complain.
You forget that around 250,000 people are coming in Canada every
year and a
good portion is very well educated. We have engineers, masters and
doctors
and even lawyers who could put our case before the Canadian supreme
court.
Every four to five years, we have around a million out of 31
millions of
Canadians who can vote out any political team that is not willing to
solve
the problem of immigrants' integration.
Have you thought of setting up an association dedicated to solving
this
problem? You have only yourself to blame. I would suggest the
website to
change its name and filter out anything negative. Setup an
association meant
to create an environment for talking with the government.
Thanks
Jean-Baptiste Rubeya
Montreal
rubeya_jb @ hotmail.com
March 17, 2007
I found your website refreshing and honest. And its information and
stories confirm what I experienced growing up in Canada and what I
saw happen to my immigrant mother. It also confirms what I saw
happen to friends who were immigrants, as well as those native-born.
Year-after-year I have had to watch my mother struggle to survive in
Canada. I have been working with her to get her debts down, but I
look at the quality of her life in Canada and how she has made no
progress despite working so hard for so many years. She lives in the
same small apartment, with plastic sheeting on the windows to keep
out the cold.
I left Canada with my wife after years of frustrating success in
Canada. I call it frustrating success because we both worked doing
what we wanted to do, yet because of the cost of living, high taxes
and low pay (and the disreputable behaviour of so many Canadian
bosses), we never made much progress financially.
But what a turn around in our fortunes when we left the country! I
got a very good job overseas and had an American boss. This guy was
a revelation. I had worked in the past for British and Canadian
bosses: both rubbish. But this American boss was an extremely
enlightened, hard-working and clever guy who taught me so much. At
first it was hard because he was a big a fan of new technologies and
both in Britain and Canada my employers had been slow to take these
ideas on board. But I learned fast.
Within two years I had became a senior manager, an acknowledged
leader in my field, debt-free and with tons of savings. I - and my
wife - were flush with cash and traveling now all over asia. We had
book deals, lunched with academics and journalists - our lives were
transformed. But a familiar theme would emerge: Canada. It was
always Canadians and Canadian government officials that treated us
with the most contempt and the worst arrogance. While citizens of
other countries admired our accomplishments, sacrifices and skills,
Canadians would just shrug.
I had a very good time growing up in Canada and benefited from its
education system. I served in the armed forces proudly, even when
they could barely find the money to buy bullets. I met amazing
people and do believe it has shaped me in a good way. But over the
past seventeen years I have seen the country lurch from economic
crisis to crisis and the standard of living drop for so many. The
presence of so many food banks, acres of homeless people in the
cities, beggers. My Canadian friends barely ever leave the country
because they can't afford it. I, on the other hand, have been to 50
countries and holiday frequently.
While Canadians don't like to talk about it, the cities are becoming
more violent and especially black crime is on the rise.
I found the country infested with a can't do attitude. I found
businesses poorly run, pay shabby and many employers working hard to
avoid paying the statutory benefits to employees.
If somebody is looking for opportunity I would recommend looking
wider. Canada is a beautiful country, but it is not the only place
on the planet with lakes, ski resorts, and blue skies. I now work in
many countries and go towards the high-value currencies and
salaries. As the years go by, I feel less attached to Canada. I know
so many friends who are doing well outside of Canada and have made
their success and fortunes away from the country.
It is sad because all of us started businesses, were educated in the
country, started out in our twenties with such enthusiasm and verve,
and were slapped down. I am glad I left and I would highly recommend
leaving this over-rated 'liberal' paradise.
Bob MacDonald
bobsayssomething @ yahoo.com
March 10, 2007
Hello NotCanada.com,
I am writing to thank you again
for this web-site. After reading through the experiences of other
professional immigrants to Canada, I came to a clear
understanding of the situation that I was in and why my chances
for having a career in Canada were practically nil. This
information proved to be a catalyst. Finally understanding why
after two years, I was still getting no replies to all my
applications (MA -Instructional Technology, 18 years experience in
education). I saw what I had to do; I took steps to get out of
Canada and make a career somewhere else.
These plans have been working out. Within 5 months of applying in
the US, I have a job and I am now working and able to take care of
my family. The spectre of welfare no longer looms over me. Your
website saved me much heartache, pain and worry. It also helped me
to short-circuit a long, painful learning process. Words cannot
express my gratitude. Please keep this website running and please
keep helping new professional immigrants to Canada figure what
they have gotten themselves into, so that can quickly get
themselves out before their money runs out.
best wishes
Katherine kristaal6340 @ yahoo.com
March 08, 2007
I am so glad you are bring so important subjects to this matter,
over ten years in Canada I am trying to find answer what is going
on in Canada? why Canadian immigration are asking for more and
more immigrant and in other hand they are do not respect to the
immigrant, and are education or experiences, I thinks Canada is
racism country,
here my story:
I was working in Iran as one of the best Iranian
cartoonist, for one of the best magazine and news paper, soon I
became members of Iranian and editorials for news paper, awarded
by others country and published my art work's in country like
Japan, German , Poland and so on search about me in net, (hajiagha)
animators, art instructor
in 1995 I left Iran to USA because US immigration in Istanbul give
me an especial visa as professional artist to land in USA, but, I
did one mistake and left USA as dreams to Canada , after I land in
Canada immigration of Canada hold me in salvation army in three
month were I was became sick by TB, trust me I do my best as
Artist and I was working for then volunteer for poor and homeless,
HIV+ two years....I have so much hard times in Canada to publish
or sale my painting or drawing to teach here, they are racism to
any one skin colors looks like from Pakistani face or from India,
or china...this country is worst. I sleep in Van because I can not
land full times job, with all experiences I have also as handyman,
painter and restaurant which I learn in Canada,I did mistake to
land here because I was thinking as journalist I can meet better
people and support freedom and democracy over Iran, trust me
government of Iran much much more educated as this government,
they are never let me to publish any my letter or my cartoons in
the Canadian news paper,
Hello, I am an african immigrant myself. I came to canada about
15 years ago. Like any country on our planet, it has problems,
Whether politics, social or economic, etc... however, personally
Find it a nation where all these problems are dealt with by the
people
And its government through its transparent democratic process
Such that the country is becoming more and more one of the
Best places to live in.
Advice to fellow immigrants,
Don't spend too much time in metropolitan places
Where there are huge job competitions; take the courage
To do a research and move to places where there more
Opportunities in your qualifications. Every thing takes time;
You have made a choice and paid all the sacrifices of making a new home, canada( perhaps for yourselves and or your children).
Look
For the good things about canada and you will find lots of it. As
for
Paying higher taxes, I think it has some thing to do with the country
(canada) being the second largest country on earth with a very
Small population size and building infrastructure is very expensive.
By the way, the canadian government needs to bring in more
immigrants
To help populate the country. Good luck in your job search.
Bekure, Asnake
abekure @ Suncor.com
March 02, 2007
Hi! first of all, I created this hotmail account because I don't
want to
disclose my name.
Everything I am writing down here is 100% true, actually a nightmare
that I
am still living with.
So here it goes:
I am an immigrant from a third world country that now for many years
used to
live in Canada.
I had to come back to my birth-country because of a health issue,
that in
Canada nobody knew how to treat. So here I go:
1) When coming to Canada, the embassy would assure us that with an
international driving license we could drive for a year without
having to do
a new one.
FALSE: Some provinces would only allow you to drive for 2 months
with an
international driving license.
2) Nobody explained that to get a driver's license, either you do
have
driving records that state experience for more than 4 years (of
course it
must be translated into english) or you start like a 16 year old
teenager,
that must wait at least a year to do the driver's test, after
obtaining a
micky mouse driver's license that only allows you to drive
accompanied by a
real-world driver's license holder.
By the way: the driving test is a joke. It's all about repeating
mechanical
behaviour on the street, that is not explained in the a book. I mean
there
is a book, that explains most of what you normally would have to do,
it
doesn't say explicitly this: to pass the driver's test YOU WILL have
to
repeat head movements, certain behaviour on the street like always
driving
at speed limit (respecting the speed limit one would assume right,
not in
Canada. You must drive AT speed limit???), or always turn into the
right
lane, after turning in an intersection. Although there are reasons
for this
behaviour, which I do not intend to criticize, the book explains
most of this
as not mandatory, but for the test, you have to act a script that's
only
explained in a DRIVER's SCHOOL! AHA the business comes first. By the
way,
just imagine, you just arrived, and you need a car to get to work,
but no
problem, we'll give you an appointment for your driver's test in two
months!!! What a joke. Then you realize you don't have a clue of
what you
have to do, although you memorized the book. Fair, right?
By the way: most people don't know how to drive standard. Don't even
dare to
go to a driver's examination test with a car with shift-stick. You
will be
failed the test, just because you shifted while turning in an
intersection
!!!!!!!!!! Ohhh wait, there is an explanation, in Canada you can't
hold the
steering wheel with one hand, because of the snow they say. Funny.
3) Cost of living: Be careful. The driver's insurance system is so
corrupt
(there is proof of kickbacks from auto-shops to insurance companies
to
justify a small repair for let's say 2 grand), that rates and fees
are
obscenely high. Basically if you are a male in between 16 and 33
years old,
you are a high risk. If you have to drive to a big city every day,
your
insurance would double. Average of a "woman" (low risk) commuting to
Toronto
every day, making 200km per day, would pay at least ca$ 3.500 a
year, around
300 dollars a month. If you have an accident, your fault or not,
most likely
your insurance would go higher, around 30% for at least 3 years.
Some people
chose not to claim their insurance pay after an accident, just
because they
would know their insurance rates would go higher, and their
statistical
insurer's record would be stained for a long, long time. Of course
it's a
business.
Apartments: a crappy apartment, in a small city would at least cost
ca$ 800
dollars.
So, let's say you are a foreign trained professional and start with
a
crappy job in a crappy city, that would be a wage of 41.000 a year.
Around
2.300 per month net income. Let's say to take a lease of a crappy
car, hmmm
about $250 per month and you pay another $250 insurance for that car
per
month. What you want to pay for a car, sure go ahead. Any new car
costs not
less than 20 grand, let's say 400 bucks per month, in 5 years?
forget it.
Keep on reading.
800 + 250 + 250 = 1400 per month of basic cost of living. You are
making
2.300, 900 bucks left per month. OK, the cheapest you can eat is
probably
another $250 a month (3 people), so you are now at 1650 a month. Oh
you pay
gas, hmm let's say very chep $120 bucks a month, this adds up at
1770. You
pay 50 bucks of an RSP, you that at the end of the year, the
government
doesn't rip me off a little less. This would be now, 1820, you are
left with
less than 480 bucks left a month.
Let's just say you pay 100 bucks a month for clothing and car
maintenance
(ok, it's way more than that in reality), now left 380 bucks per
month.
Let's just say you are paying off some furniture and basic
electronics you
need for a few years, with your credit card, with let's say 100
bucks per
month. Now you are left with 280 bucks.
Now think: what can you afford with that? Vacations? Or you want to
be the
owner of your car? By the way: what are you paying for retirement?
Now the conclusion: you would need at least a 100.000 bucks to start
well in
Canada. With that money, you could be paying your own house (a
crappy
townhouse in a crappy city), and some of that money would eventually
go to
your pocket in 20 years. Plus you would need at least an income of
about
60.000 a year, to be able to have 2 cars - very important, since
public
transportation is too expensive.
If both man and women do not work, you can't survive well.
4) Renting an apartment. Most apartment renters would only rent you
an
apartment if you paid 1 year in advance (highly illegal by the way)
5) How to get a job: Most companies do only hire people with
Canadian
Experience (the price to pay when being new). This being
discriminatory in
nature, and illegal, is actually false. Most companies are in so
much trouble
(direction / execution / financial / economic / technical) that they
only
hire "friends". Doesn't matter were you are from, it just matters
that you
are manageable by your employers.
Other companies are so twisted by minorities, that they in some
cases, you
don't have a chance on certain departments, completely managed by
chinese,
indian, etc.
5) Quality of work: don't expect that just because Canada is a
richer
country than 3world countries, people in charge of companies,
co-workers,
local professionals and any other citizens/residents are
necessarily well
educated an open minded people. What I mean is this: work in a
Canadian
company, and you will see in a matter of days, that they are too
laid back
or even in some cases, way below the education level of your country
of
origin. Most of them good people, with good intentions, but also
most of
them still discovering fire. Unfortunate but truth. So, don't expect
to
necessary make a career by working in Canada. It will be great for
your
resume, not for your spirit.
Most probably you will be caught in a maze of mediocrity that will
make you
become another average canadian. Good person though.
6) Health care: Unbelievable. Not enough doctors. The ones that are
there,
know nothing. Appointments, if not in a urgency, it can take months,
sometimes years. Non-urgency problems, become chronic, until your
appointment gets ready. Then there is not much to be done, and you
will be
limping for the rest of your life. It's not a proactive health care
system,
it's just for emergencies. My case: I go to a hospital, I am
fainting, feel
like pneumonia. I wait 6 hours, get to see a doctor, he checks me
for that.
Nothing. He asks: do you have a family doctor? I reply: Yes. Then he
says:
there is not much we can do. Then I keep on going to my doctor, and
it says
(notice the "it"): oh, well, you surpassed my knowledge, what you
think I
should do?
7) Education: schools are free. True. But the quality? Can you
switch to a
private school? There are no better, privileged, higher-end schools.
So,
where you I send my if the school assigned to me, is full of people
of
concern?
University: for the rich. College: for the mediocre.
In the end, Canada is a good place to live. Still better than most
places in
the world, just don't expect it to be excellent. It's barely a
livable
place, with very few good opportunities, and very few chances of
being
happy.
Kinda cool hey?
notcanada123 @ hotmail.com
March 01, 2007
I love this site! It reminds me that I am not alone...
From my observation, not only immigrants have a hardship in living.
Many native Canadians are poor too. So many Canadians are in credit
card debt...
There is nothing wrong about someone work low paid job... The
economics need it. For those natives who have skipped high school,
they deserve it...
But why we? My problem is, we all received good education and lived
a comfortable life before. We are attracted here because
government claims they have strong economy, oppotunities etc etc.
But none of these is true.
The ONE-thing Canada didn't do(or don't like to do), is recognize
our qualification/ skills as equivalent to Canadian's. I graduated
from UK, and my degree has no problem in most EU/ASIAN countries.
Why Canada needs me do anthoer 4 years for a degree??
Now I have a solid plan to go back China, and never come back....
Billy Zhao
Toronto
billy_z @ yahoo.com
February 23, 2007
Dear Sir/Madam
Thank you so much for creating such a good web site so people and
next immigrants(Victims) could hear our voice.
I have immigrated with my family(wife and 2 little daughters) to
Vancouver about 18 months ago.
In my country of origin,I was a Laboratory Supervisor with 10 years
experience in Blood Services but here they even refusing to
accepting me even as a Lab Assistant & Technician even after the
evaluation of my degrees( Master&Bachelors) and even after more than
1 year volunteering in their blood Services even for the entry level
Positions which not requires the Canadian Certification.
I have spent about 35,000 dollars in this period and I have
experienced a bad experience for 4 months by working in a gas
station which affected my pride & personality & I became depressed
and I have lost about 15 Kilograms of my weight and I'm still under
the anti depressant medications.
Before immigration , I have read the Canadian Immigration Service
booklets which contains the statements like this : we don't have any
discrimination's in Canada but they lied to us.
I was an important person in my country and had published scientific
articles and lectured in seminars and TV.
I could not endure this situation any more and have sent this in
formations for the Canadian prime Minister Office and also to UN but
now I understand that they intentionally wants to employ us in this
low level jobs and it means : Modern Slavery.
I hope this in formations could be useful for the next immigrants.
Please don't come to Canada, this is a trap.
Sincerely
One Persian Immigrant
Ramin Tahooni
ramintahooni @ yahoo.com
February 22, 2007
I came to this city last November, and it was
the worst mistake of my life. I quickly lost about five thousand
dollars taking bogus courses to ‘upgrade’ my qualifications to these
Canadian standards, what standards?
I have two University degrees from my home
country and over five years work experience, but here in Canada none
of that means anything. They keep telling me here to ‘upgrade’ by
paying thousands of dollars to take useless courses and take
expensive exams. I have passed these, but where is the job?
I was offered some interviews, given all these
fake promises, only to get more money out of me. They wanted me to
get a ‘police clearance’ letter. I did, it cost thirty five dollars.
Then they said, I need an ‘enhanced police clearance’ letter,
another thirty five dollars. When I went to get it there was a long
line of immigrants, all being scammed their hard earned money.
Why this clearance? I have been here for less
than one year, plus I sent all this when I applied for immigration,
so why now they need it all over again?
This country is a scam, the immigration, the
credential system, the upgrading system, the courses they make you
take, the bull exams they make you pay for, everything. Canada is a
country designed to take money out of you so they can pay for their
government expenses (welfare, unemployment insurance, old people’s
health care etc).
A great feeling of peace came over me when I
saw this website today, I have made a decision to leave and go back
home. Yes Canadians you are getting your wish when you say ‘if you
don’t like it here, leave’. I am leaving.
Just waiting to save up enough for a plane
ticket and I should be back home by about July, and never come
back to this retched town, where desperate immigrants outnumber
fleas and the air is not fit to breath!
I think the people coming to Canada are not
doing the research properly. There is no free lunch - anywhere,
wether it is Canada or any part of the globe.
Life in Canada IS good IF you can find a job there. But the job
market remains dismal (and people hoping that will turn around are
only hoping against all odds.) Of course, that also means bad
business prospects and high costs etc. So then, one may ask, why
come to Canada at all?
Well, take Canada for what it is - an excellent stepping stone to
the US (and that's about it). Once you are Canadian Citizen you
can use it to work in the US. That process takes 3 years and that
time will be well spent being a student at an excellent and low
cost Canadian university like Toronto / Waterloo / UBC. (Don't
bother with the no name ones and PLEASE don't go to the French
ones).
So essentially then, it is a good place if you are in your mid to
late 20s, want to pursue a graduate degree and then move on to the
US where Canadian citizens can work on TN Visa (and hopefully H-1B
and then green card). Anyone not fitting this profile has much
more to lose than gain. If you are into your late 30s to late 40s,
try to put things in perspective - Canada has little to offer you
and you will be blowing up your savings. Weather you are
black/white/Asian/Latino - doesn't make a difference. There is
racism, but the economy is the main problem. The job market is
just awful. You will have to struggle to meet basic needs. If that
is still appealing, go ahead - You will be totally responsible for
your own peril.
I came from India, I was 27, I went to grad school, did a masters
from Univ of Toronto and as soon as I got citizenship, went to the
US where I am still on TN status and working in a good job.
Thankfully US still considers Canadian universities to be equal in
terms of education quality. Besides this, I see no merit to life
in Canada. So all you are left with is an expensive country with
freezing temperatures.
First of all, I appreciate your hard work to express the voice from
immigrants... You did a good job in this and i can never forget
this...
Hereby I have 2 suggestions:
1. First, please promote your web site in chinese community in
Canada... There are 2 web sites for chinese community in canada:
www.51.ca
www.rolia.net
The reason is that I have seen that lots of chinese immigrants are
still dreaming about a good future of
their children, and even themself... They think that only after
couple of years labor job, they will get a good future, i.e.
professional job, future for kids...
Actually they are totally wrong since they never know what canada
means...
These 2 sites are related to lots of visitors in china and once you
post your info there it will help lots of
people who might do a stupid thing to immigrate to canada...
2. Please promote your site in google and yahoo. For other famous
search engines used in china, you can go to www.baidu.com or
www.sina.com...
Best wish in your future endeavors.
Wilson Chen
wc2000is @ yahoo.com
January 20, 2007
This is Mohd from sudan
You said that Canada only
wants immigrants to do the labor jobs - pizza delivery, driving
taxis, factory work etc. my question is why do they bring qualified
educated people to do this jobs ? why don’t they change their
immigration policies to bring people with less education and less
qualifications to fulfill this positions
Mohamed dahiya
dahiya1 @ hotmail.com
January 17, 2007
Canada is right place for people who can work as "General labourers"
I always see this type of positions published on websites and news
papers and most of the requirements are "GENERAL LABOUR´.
I know there will be lots of discussion on my subject but it is fact
and it is true.
Believe me lots of people come here and upgrade and spend money in
universities and colleges and after they upgrade they ask is
CANADIAN experience.
So finally canadian exp. is what? General labour....?
Have you guys migrated to do these kind of menial jobs? And get pay
which hardly meet your family demands?
I do agree that some are doing good but in general it is only 10% of
immigrants get good jobs.
Sorry this is not to discourage anybody but what i am trying to
convey
is all the immigrants should be prepared for the worst and do menial
jobs or else they will not have enough money to sustain in this very
expensive country.
To new immigrants and those who are planning to come here ...
Canada is not a path of bed of roses it has many hidden thorns in it, you
have to remove thorns from your path by sheer determination, courage
and planning or else you will be in great FRUSTRATION....
Check which category you can fit in and then move to Canada. This is
true picture. Many do not realise and stuck up for their life after
loosing their parents and more to loose from their own next
generation.
Welcome to Canada.... The land of labourers.
F. Minnea
fpminnea @ hotmail.com
January 12, 2007
Hello,
This is really a great site. I really appreciate whoever did this.
I want to narrate one example of my dad.
He was working in India as a Senior Manager in an IT company.
He than got the Immigration of Canada and he moved to Canada in June
2005.
Now, Like we all know what happens in Canada, he stayed ther for
about 5 months, tried everything but he didnt got any Job in his
field.
He never wanted to do that Odd Labour Job, which most of the Stupid
and Dumb peple are still doing.
So he returned back to India and he fortunatley found another Job in
India having same salary and same Designation in another company.
He is now very happy and having same life he used to have before.
I just wanted to ask all the Immigrants one thing.
WHY ARE YOU NOT GOING BACK TO YOUR RESPECTIVE CONTRIES BACK?
Why are you all not taking the Bold step which my Dad took?
May be because of Ego or what others back home will think about us
or blaa blaa. I dont know.
But I still know many Stupid and Dumb people in Toronto, Canada who
are still doing the odd job and will do all their lifetime.
I want the answer people.
Thanks,
rss love
rsslove @ yahoo.co.in
January 12, 2007
I am a immigrant 10 years ago now a Citizen. I just took the
citizenship of Canada with the hope that I can freely work in US
with more job opportunities but my TN visa was refused across the US
border with the reason I do not have education qualification in
computer science and I am not a born Canadian. Now, I am stuck in
Canada working only less than half of the year and spending the
earnings remaining part of the year.
Most recently I got a perm position with a fortune 500 company.
After working for close to 4 years and doing some of the complex
work/programs for US and Canadian companies, I was told they are
moving jobs to India and they laid of 50% of the team comprised of
all Indian born immigrants. If we know this is going to happen 10
years ago I would have never immigrated to Canada from India.
What is our fault if they want to move jobs to India, why they would
get rid off qualified/hard working Indian immigrants in Canada.
While working in Canadian companies I also noticed some poor
qualified white managers evaluate their employees skills very
carelessly, senior management never takes action or advises them how
to evaluate or do their job properly. Managers in Canadian companies
are mere show pieces to talk to senior management/directors/Vice
Presidents. When it comes to identifying, evaluating, encouraging
staff in ethical/professional areas they are very poor, the result
the qualified and hard working people are frequently laid off in the
name of communication and keeping crap with the same reasons.
Just once call customer service of any multinational or even major
Canadian company, you will be greeted by totally inexperienced,
unqualified people some of them students, some of them newly hired
people without even having proper english accent. Then we also see
these companies lay off very experienced, qualified people. There is
no security even after getting a job, some governmental positions
offer some security but they are very few and prefer born Canadians
in the name of ethnic diversity. All needed to get fired is your
boss's bossism, I also seen exploitation, it could be sexual,
harassment, personality, racial discrimination and almost all evil
aspects. Just one person controls everything in respect to your
performance , without proper evaluation or qualification how can a
manager hire or fire people.
This country can never offer equitable work environment and security
for qualified, hard working, intellectual professionals. It has no
organized, professional work environment. Quit Canada and instead
ask your governments to kick Canadian and US companies out of your
home countries or ask them to create jobs in your home country,
because this is where all the malaise is beginning.
suresh venkat
sures_venkat @ yahoo.com
January 11, 2007
I'm an American born and raised in Boston, home of the Boston Red
Sox.
My parents and I moved here to Canada about 27 years ago and I lived
in
different provinces.
Let me tell all of you immigrants and to all you proud Canadians,
I've
wasted my life here for over 27 years and I'm worried about not
having
enough for my retirement. I'm looking to get back to my birthplace
the USA,
but try saving money to move back to the States (paying high taxes
for
healthcare and Canadians call healthcare free is beyond me).
It's so funny to me everytime when I read the Canadians' comments on
this board, you see when immigrants come together on a website and
complain
about Canada, you make Canadians mad. Canadians are ALWAYS
complaining,
whining (it's what Canadians do best) and bitching.
To be a true patriotic Canadian you have to hate and bitch about the
Americans.
So now immigrants are bitching about Canada, Canadians are a bunch
of
pussies or poor sports- sure they will bitch about the Americans but
you can't
compalin about Canada. They are WIMPS. The thing is that they're so
stuck up in their favourite hockey player's ass they can't see
what's going
on nor do they hear the truth.
I know what you Canadians are thinking. Why Canadian movies suck?
It's true
and I always questioned about that too, but I can't answer that for
you, but
hey I can do you Canadians a favour. I know you want me out of this
country,
but I'll gladly move if you can donate some money for my move there.
How's
that sound?
Good work immigrants, it's high time everyone sees how whiny
Canadians are
and how shitty this country is. Free healthcare my ass!!!
Henry Wong
wong_henry @ hotmail.com
January 11, 2007
Five myths about Canada you need to know about!
1. Free health care.
Canada's health care is not free. It is funded by a heavy tax
regime that takes hard earned money from even the working poor. If
you make $C20,000 a year. You will be taxed. Make more? Like
$C75,000
and up? Oh, you can bet you will get hit with taxes. In some
provinces like Alberta, you also get the additional privilege of
paying health care "premiums" on top of your taxes.
The big hospital unions like the Registered Nurses and various
so-called "para-professionals" have taken over the health care
system and destroyed it. This is what happens when you create a
a monopoly, and worse, a government owned monopoly.
2. High standard of living
Huh? Since when? This country has one of North America's biggest
drug ghettos. It's called Vancouver's Downtown Eastside. Canadians
have a lower per capita GDP than Americans. They also make less
money than Americans, and ironically many other countries: Ireland,
Germany, Switzerland to name just a few.
3. Peaceful
Nope! There are just as many acts of violent crime, drug gangs,
domestic murders in Canada as in the U.S. It's just never adjusted
for per capita, ie. the actual population of the two countries
and the size of the cities in each country. Canada has serial
killers, drug shootings, pollution, gang violence. How come we don't
hear much about this in the world's media, the way the U.S.'s
problems are constantly brought up?
4. Strong economy
No! Canadians just piggyback off the U.S. economy and they still
can't manage to get their unemployment rate down to anywhere near
to the U.S. rate, which was hovering in the low 5's most recently.
Canada's rate has varied over the last decade or more from 11% to
a low of about 7%. The country just sells off its raw natural
resources rather than having a productive economy through
strong innovation or research. Yet the Canucks complain about
selling those resources to the U.S. Huh?
5. Canadians are polite self effacing and humble
Whoa! Canadians are anything but polite and "European" as they
like to tell the world. Most Canadians I've met are ignorant,
boorish, self absorbed anti-American bigots. Go to a Canadian
workplace: see how they treat you, especially if you are a brown
or black person.
Go to a restaurant or a store. The tone is very cold and "British"
in nature. Look at how they drive. I have driven in Britain, the
U.S. (San Diego, Los Angeles, Palm Springs, Seattle area).
Nowhere have I seen such stupid backward drivers as I have seen
in B.C. and Alberta.
Basically Canada needs to have its huge pompous self absorbed ego
deflated. Canadians are hypocrites and they love to be delusional,
and self absorbed about how great they are. The U.S. incidentally is
the
country where a lot of Canadians, (about 100,000 at last count), go
to live well, retire and of course, for employment. Hypocritical or
what?
you come to a place where you are not wanted by the host population
you have an outrageous sense of entitlement.
You behave like this is all meant just for you
For the bulk of the population who remembers the real canada, this
recent
influx since the 1980's is disgusting.
we dont want you here, we dont give a damn about how lofty you feel
you are.
if you have so much to offer you should do it in your own country
shame on you for being so selfish that you leave your own people and
culture.
You are the problem not the solution
good luck getting compensated for what you feel is poor treatmeant.
You have the real Canada to fight and if you think you have it bad
now,
start causing problems and you'll see what bad times really are.
Brian Smith
bime141 @ hotmail.com
January 03, 2007
I'm pretty shocked at some of the things posted on
here. I'm not sure what to believe, though I have
been a little put off even considering Canada - I
haven't seen any other websites like this for any
other countries. Is the "Canadian Experience" thing
a language issue? To be honest I wouldn't want a
Doctor who wasn't fluent in my native tongue to be
working on me. How welcome are immigrants in your
home countries? I like to think any Canadians or US
citizens are made to feel pretty welcome in the UK? A
lot (not all) of immigrants by nature tend to be
critical (including myself) - they left their own
countries for some reason? Did they forget what it
was?
John Trew
jonjon55_uk @ yahoo.co.uk
January 01, 2007
hi im 13 years old. and we came from turkey my ad and my mom
decided to go to canada for my and my sister's future and travel
everywhere we want without visa. they completed the immigration
form in 2001 and they accepted us 13th of july 2006. i never
forget that date because our dark and bad days begun. first of
all my father is professor in mathematics and he graduated from
university of bath he registered to all jobs in canada in
universities but he didn't find any job. his earning was $5000 per
month and my moms was $1500 because of she is assistant. and then
all of universities regretted him because of he doesn't have any
canadian experience is this fair?
now we are trying to return back to our home country.... but we
aren't that sure if we can return back to our country because we
don't know if they have accepted my father to the university in
turkey. if you know people who are like working in universities
math dept something like that could you help us? because my father
started to the job on loblaws supermarket and i don't think that's
fair because math professor now is working on supermarket. my
fathers CV is attached
March 16, 2008
